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changeling 27-Sep-09, 19:21	........ ........That is funny.......LOL
chessnovice 27-Sep-09, 19:28	You could make quite a profit off your kids if that's the case. Cash in on it before it's too late
proginoskes 27-Sep-09, 20:10	mrvroom I'm glad to see us finally agree on something after such a long stretch of not . . . Radiohead is ****ing garbage
tugger 28-Sep-09, 04:57	You guys are amazing. You proclaim to know about music, even opening up a thread to discuss the subject, and then you all say the greatest band that ever existed are rubbish! Radiohead were fanatstic in the 90's, and what they've done this decade is incredible. Compare them to what's around these days in the UK... Coldplay, the Killers, Kings of Leon... this is garbage, it lacks imagination. Kings of Leon made some great music early on, but they sold out big style. The only band that comes close to Radiohead over here at the moment is Muse, but of course, you Yanks won't get them either. Vroom, how about you? Muse? So we've been talking about great guitarists, and I'm the only one to mention Gilmour? I can't be the only one who likes Pink Floyd, surely? I actually get why people don't understand Radiohead, you either like whiny music or you don't, and boy can Thom Yorke whine. But come on, Glimour is one of the true greats, second only to the man himself, Hendrix. And Jeff, yes, I said Clapton was dull. You said U2 were good. We're so far apart it's unreal. U2 were good when they sounded raw, ie their first album, then it went downhill fast. It just became junk food for the brain, like REM, another band who sounded good when they were almost a little punk, then went crap when they made radio music. Clapton was good when he was young, then he just got boring. He might be a technically brilliant guitarist, but it doesn't please my ears. Give me something raw anyday, that's why I love Hendrix, that's why bands like the White Stripes piss all over Clapton, that's why Radiohead are infinitely better than U2.
captaingoodvibes 28-Sep-09, 05:30	Frank Zappa was a bit of a card.... Survived by Moon Unit, Dweezle and Ahmet <Guitar Player Magazine devoted a special issue to Zappa in 1992, and asked on the cover "Is FZ America's Best Kept Musical Secret?" Editor Don Menn remarked that the issue was about "The most important composer to come out of modern popular music".[200] Among those contributing to the issue was composer and musicologist Nicolas Slonimsky, who conducted premiere performances of works of Ives and Varèse in the 1930s.[201] He became friends with Zappa in the 1980s,[202] and said "I admire everything Frank does, because he practically created the new musical millennium. He does beautiful, beautiful work ... It has been my luck to have lived to see the emergence of this totally new type of music."[203] Conductor Kent Nagano remarked in the same issue that "Frank is a genius. That's a word I don't use often ... In Frank's case it is not too strong ... He is extremely literate musically. I'm not sure if the general public knows that".[204] Pierre Boulez stated in Musician Magazine's posthumous Zappa tribute article that Zappa "was an exceptional figure because he was part of the worlds of rock and classical music and that both types of his work would survive."[205] Many music scholars acknowledge Zappa as one of the most influential composers of his generation.[206][207][208] As an electric guitarist, he has become highly regarded.[209][210]>> source: en.wikipedia.org
proginoskes 28-Sep-09, 05:37	Muse is good Radiohead sucks large mammal penis. Radiohead fans immediately get knocked down a degree in my own personal estimation of them. Radiohead is noise, and a strange cultural phenomenon. They remind me some of Nirvana or Pearl Jam (both also SUCK large mammal penis), someone, somewhere said these bands were "kool" and like the pop-cultural lemmings that the young people are today everyone jumped onto the "radiohead is awesome" bandwagon for fear of ridicule for not liking the garbage they put out. Imaginative? My kid he's very imaginative banging on pots and pans when he was smaller, but I didn't package it as "music" and market it to the world as "genius" Puhleeese . . .
tugger 28-Sep-09, 06:09	Josh, you're actually on to something... With Radiohead, for a lot of people it's not about the music... one way or the other. There are a lot of people who refuse to listen to them for fear of being labelled a Radiohead fan! How ridiculous is that! Radiohead fans have that steroetype about them, the nerdy spotty student wannabe cool type person, and nobody wants to be dumped into that group, do they? But, for me it is about the music, nothing more. We disagree when it comes to imagination. Their first two albums were very good, but these two are the ones that are of the same ilk as Pearl Jam. The third album, OK Computer, was breathtaking, and then after that it went all electronica, a complete change of direction. Whether or not you like it is besides the point, believe me, it's brilliant, imaginative electronica. But you like Muse! Well, early Muse is like early Radiohead! What's the difference? Progressive angst rock and whiny voice, they're almost the same band! Nirvana weren't too bad, vastly overrated, but not dreadful... the Unlpugged in New York album is stunning. And Pearl Jam... yeah, they're crap. Best band of that sort are the Pixies.
chessnovice 28-Sep-09, 06:37	Kind of interesting to me that tugger and i have such similar taste in music. I find Clapton dull too. jdh, you're concerning me with all this talk about large mammal penises... ;o
proginoskes 28-Sep-09, 08:09	chessnovice It a phrase that I think adequetly demonstrates the point I am trying to make without offending the sensitive sensibilities of GK and the people who post here
chessnovice 28-Sep-09, 08:51	Just making sure. :]
mrvroom 28-Sep-09, 08:59	Jd I think we agree on lots mate
mrvroom 28-Sep-09, 09:07	Tugger now you make a bit more sense, radiohead are lots better than U2, unfortunately thats more an indictment of U2 than praise for Radiohead. Dont know that much about muse but have moments. And Floyd are, well Floyd are Floyd and very cool indeed. White Stripes are cool, check out The Racontuers. Clapton is boring. Greatest Guitarists in my book are Hendrix, BB King, and finding out more about Ry Cooder. Liking this at the moment tho: www.youtube.com
musket33r 28-Sep-09, 16:17	I honestly don't know how you guys can listen to that stuff without reaching for a knife at the songs conclusion. Here, i'll post some REAL music. www.youtube.com www.youtube.com www.youtube.com
changeling 28-Sep-09, 16:30	........ ......."REAL music"?..... This thread has gone from the Beatles to the Doors and through many great artists & musicians so far then you come up with this and say its "REAL music"... LOL
chessnovice 28-Sep-09, 16:46	I give you credit for your fortitude, musket.
zorroloco 28-Sep-09, 16:59	musket omg. and i do not say that lightly, believe me. you can honestly compare that crap to hendrix, beatles, doors, clapton, nirvana, and say it is real music. what are they putting in the water down under? or is it the lack of ozone that is allowing the uv to adversely affect your brain? you guys are crazy - nirvana was a good band, unplugged is a masterpiece. pearl jam is ok. clapton is only boring to those who do not know anything about guitar. u2 was the best band of the 80's. pink floyd was great.
musket33r 28-Sep-09, 17:04	Nirvana was good, then the depressive seen got old. Doors, Clapton, Beatles, etc just doesn't roll with me. Hendrix was good, in small doses. Pearl Jam is up there with Nirvana, U2 needs to hang up the boots. Yall need to stop living in the past and look at the music of today imo
musket33r 28-Sep-09, 17:06	Santana, now he is a legend. He may be 60-70 years old, but he has still got it.
zorroloco 28-Sep-09, 17:12	musket i teach high school. i hear it all (regarding rock - i cannot say i know so much about today's rap, hip hop, country, or pop). most is crap. there is some good stuff that is fairly recent. marilyn manson has some great songs. limp bizket too. pavement put out some good stuff. i like death cab for cutie, but they are terrifically boring live. i love michael franti and spearhead, although that is hip hop/reggae rock. the presidents of the united states rock out. i also like cold war kids. but... none of them approaches hendrix, santana, or cream. or even the beatles, the doors, or the stones. listen to some old funkadelic. that will get you going : ) truth is, most of the high school kids are listening to floyd, aerosmith, ac-dc, beatles, doors, zeppelin, and metallica. by the way, no one has mentioned one of my faves: the red hot chili peppers are awesome!!!
changeling 28-Sep-09, 17:22	musket The stuff you posted is simply electronic claptrap that invades the sensibilities of anyone with even half a musical ear. What's next I wonder, staccato single notes being paraded as music. Oops! sorry we already did that. What was it called? Ah yes!, techno rubbish... louder the better.   This type of so called modern music is painful to the ears. Unless of course one is stoned out of ones head with something or other. At least the bands we 'oldies' listened to could be appreciated straight or stoned. (LOL) It is really just the old argument of the young needing something different and relevant to the times (their times of course, we oldies know nothing, and are just stupid senile old sods! Sorry talking to teenagers again last night  . When you (the younger generation) are our ages I wonder if you will look back at your music with affection as we oldies now do, or cringe at what you were listening to. There is good and not so good in all forms of music, the crap you posted I'm afraid falls into the latter.
musket33r 28-Sep-09, 17:23	<< the red hot chili peppers are awesome!!!>> maybe in 2005! I don't listen to pop, country or rap. Some of what i listen to can be classified as rock but mostly I listen to electronic/dance/techno/hardstyle as well. How can you not like that stuff, great beats, loops, rips, the works. Im surprised Disturbed hasn't come up yet, they put out a number of good songs. Stricken and Decadence for example. Daughtry and Nickelback are another two great bands.
chessnovice 28-Sep-09, 17:27	I love what this thread turned into. :] But I'm not so fond of Daughtry and Nickelback. Too generic for my tastes. :[ I liked Jane's Addiction better than Red Hot Chili Peppers. A long as we're mentioning our favorites, I'm fond of Living Colour.
musket33r 28-Sep-09, 17:28	but change how many of todays y generation drive down the street in their beaten up commodores blasting the Beatles or the Doors? Times and tastes change. Thats why Madonna never made it back in the world and thats the reason why INXS needs to quit while they are ahead, or atleast before they hire their sixth lead singer.
proginoskes 28-Sep-09, 17:30	musket I'm trying to decide if you if are being serious or merely trolling the forum . . . The first link is really, really, really bad hard-house The second is a mildly entertaining electro-house, but nothing exceptional, and I would argue that there hasn't been any real good electronic music since, oh . . . I don't know . . . 2002 . . . The third is par for the course happy hardcore - nothing special. Let me find you some decent stuff . . .
musket33r 28-Sep-09, 17:33	jdh The first and third is hardstyle, not house. The difference is, you can't dance to hardstyle. the second is dance. Chess <<I love what this thread turned into. :] >> As long as nobody mentions Rammstein we'll be safe
changeling 28-Sep-09, 17:52	musket I do believe you are getting hemmed in by your own discussion points: "...how many of todays y generation drive down the street in their beaten up commodores blasting the Beatles or the Doors? Times and tastes change..." Is that all its about, driving with the loudest music one can find blasting out of your car (and making the car jump all over the place? Incidently a very dangerous practice, but I suppose I am being old here, nothing to do with not being able to hear danger coming on the road, or, hearing ambulance or fire engines trying to get somewhere (more often than not to pull 'young' idiots out of wrecked cars because they do not pay enough attention to the surroundings whilst driving, not surprising given the crap they are listening to   Ok, I'm going a 'little' over the top here (LOL). "...Thats why Madonna never made it back in the world..." Love her or hate her the woman was and is an incredible talent. She is one of the few who did actually change with the times. She is perhaps not the most musical artist, but she sure has been one of the best live performers of the past thirty years. Do you think the bands you listen to now will last that long at the top. "...and thats the reason why INXS needs to quit while they are ahead, or atleast before they hire their sixth lead singer..." INXS another band who were alright at the time but not quite earth shattering. Another case of lead singer tragically dies, Oops! sales go up, popularity increases, everybody loved them. Musically not the best of bands. Bigger band after death than before, go figure.
proginoskes 28-Sep-09, 17:56	musket LOL Whatever you guys call it these days . . .
changeling 28-Sep-09, 17:59	.... 'T Rex' was a band well before their time, pity they had to end (another senseless useless death of a lead singer?). Just a comparison from my day to the present. Bolan, Hutchence, Cobain, and many others, all talented in some way, all frigging stupid as well..
musket33r 28-Sep-09, 18:36	<< Is that all its about, driving with the loudest music one can find blasting out of your car (and making the car jump all over the place? Incidently a very dangerous practice, but I suppose I am being old here, nothing to do with not being able to hear danger coming on the road, or, hearing ambulance or fire engines trying to get somewhere (more often than not to pull 'young' idiots out of wrecked cars because they do not pay enough attention to the surroundings whilst driving, not surprising given the crap they are listening to   Ok, I'm going a 'little' over the top here (LOL). >> Yes change, thats what its all about. I for example drive a 2004 Mitsubishi Magna AWD, ill admit a bit of a grandma's car, so I whacked some 18" alloys on it, Ralliart stickers and a nice audio system, albeit cheap. Thats pretty much the better part of my savings at the moment. Some people I know drive around with 2 grand worth of car and 5 grand worth of stereo system. I can't see the sense in buying a Hyundai eXcel and putting 5 grand into it but hey, some people do that. And what better way to show off your audio system than playing music that people can hear for miles?
zorroloco 28-Sep-09, 18:45	typical american culture shipped down under. put all your money and time into a stupid car. get an ego boost from your car. define yourself by your car. stupid, consumeristic, shallow and short-sighted narcissism! look at me everybody!!! i spend all my money on a gas burning transportation device. see how cool i am? blech! now don't get me wrong. i appreciate the beauty of a fine automobile as much as anybody. and that is fine i suppose for someone who can afford a maserati.
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