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shamash 15-Mar-12, 21:23	a different mentality ace, when you moved from Asia, Along with your personal possessions, this attitude to the cheapness of life -- this indifference to the individuality of life -- even of embryonic, growing life -- this mentality -- is that the mentality you brought to your new home? or is it something you caught, like a contagion of the mind, perhaps from your profession, or was it from your life in America?
dmaestro 15-Mar-12, 22:47	Life is not cheap. But immature embryos are not yet human in any sense of the word. The idea that a fertilized egg should necessarily be considered a person is just religious nonsense. www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk
shamash 16-Mar-12, 01:13	and the question. . . <<"why can't the scientists be allowed to experiment on human embryos?">> . . . is just plain sick.
zorroloco 16-Mar-12, 04:24	rush goombaugh feels the heat as well he should. Limbaugh advertiser boycott shows power of social media to target firms A day after Rush Limbaugh called Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke "a slut," Angelo Carusone, a Washington-based activist, began contacting advertisers to boycott Limbaugh's show -- over the phone, via e-mail, through Twitter and on Facebook. Twenty-four hours later, six companies, including Geico and Citrix Systems, dropped their ads on the conservative radio program. After three days, 18 more companies, including AOL and Sears Holdings, pulled their marketing. Before the week was out, 27 more, including Netflix and Capital One, cut spots from "The Rush Limbaugh Show," heard by more than 13 million listeners daily. While threats of boycotts over content are as old as old media, online social outlets have matured -- both in use and perception -- to the point that major corporations now weigh these campaigns seriously and urgently. The collective power of social media to specifically target a group of companies has never been more dramatically on display than in the Limbaugh incident, shaking companies as diverse as San Diego-based ProFlowers and Ford. Whether the Limbaugh boycott continues or withers, the questions it has raised for companies have taken center stage. "Should a vocal minority drive major business decisions?" said Scott Monty, the social-media director for Ford. "Or are they a minority that is using the online space as a platform when they don't have purchase power or influence that others have? From a data and analysis perspective, the jury is still out on that." Ford on Twitter Within 24 hours of that statement, Carusone and his colleagues at Media Matters started making calls, beginning with national advertisers. "I knew they would appreciate the heads-up," he said. "The stakes are higher for them." Carusone reached Ford's Monty through Twitter and sent him a link to an audio recording of Ford's ads that he uploaded to Google's YouTube site. "We were alarmed that people were hearing Ford ads on the Limbaugh show," Monty said. "But we wanted to confirm." It took at least two days for Ford to corroborate Carusone's claims. A few days later, the company asked radio stations syndicating Limbaugh's shows to make sure its ads weren't airing. Monty said Ford never advertised on Limbaugh on purpose and that its ads aired either as a result of a mistake on the part of a radio station or because Ford's ads aired on a network that included Limbaugh. "Ford has taken a much more active role in social media," Monty said. "We're listening to customer complaints. But it's also a way to keep track of what they like, too. We're much better than we were even a year ago."
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 13:08	An aircraft carrier ... feels the heat of a pistol firing at it. But if that's all it feels, it will continue to steam towards its objectives. And so Rush will continue to be the best at what he does - being the Number One radio show in all America. A few dozen sponsors cannot out-gun him. Ask Carbonite how their stock is doing after diving into politics.
zorroloco 16-Mar-12, 13:20	<And so Rush will continue to be the best at what he does> yes indeed. he is the absolute best at being a misogynistic, irritating, flamboyant, hypocritical, gasbag. and i have no doubts he will continue to be a jerk for the forseeable future.
shamash 16-Mar-12, 13:33	one more Rush trait: he may be gunning, but he is cunning media-wise, one cunning enough to restrict his comments to slander on the airwaves instead of in print, where he would be legally liable for libel.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 13:39	If that's what Rush is ... what is Bill Maher? A saint? Maher does not apologize. He just says "I'm a comedian" and expects everyone to forgive him for his lack of contrition. But you'll never hear the left condemning his rhetoric.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 13:41	Rush DOES put it all in print. On his website in transcript. He also knows a few people with law degrees. Like I said, he's a lot smarter than a few people give him credit for.
babe100 16-Mar-12, 13:44	Shamash you're not like them. Maybe we can have dialogue. What is it you believe that Rush has given false information on? Not opinion but fact.
illinawek 16-Mar-12, 13:45	Rush is an idiot. Who else would have the notion that you can start calling a young woman who you have never met, a slut and a prostitute over the airways. He is lucky she hasn't sued him for defamation. If I were on the jury, I would really want to ring the bell.
babe100 16-Mar-12, 13:47	Stop the noise. Let Shamash speak.
zorroloco 16-Mar-12, 13:54	bill mahar is also inflammatory. but he is not a misogynistic jerk. he is an anti-religious jerk. plus he is a lot funnier than rush windbag. and a lot smarter than rocks for brains rushbo.
dmaestro 16-Mar-12, 14:09	Rush is a bully with nothing of value or truth to say. Removing his foul comments from his site will not hide the hate. Find some dittoheads to talk to.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 14:18	Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Elizabeth Hasselbeck ... more women who are the innocent victims of the left wing liberal attack dogs. But the media gives Maher and his ilk a free pass because they are conservatives. Gotta love that bias! LOL @ Maher not being misogynistic - Bill has more time logged at the Playboy Mansion than I have served in the United States Army. What did you think his interest in that was - reading the articles?
zorroloco 16-Mar-12, 14:21	playboy mansion? sounds like he loves women, not hates them! lol.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 14:22	Rush might be proven right in the court of law. Under oath Miss Fluke could admit the number of rendezvous she's had with whomever (she can provide pseudonyms in order to ummm, protect the "innocent".) Keep in mind that she's a 30-year-old single coed. She could have been taken out to a lot of dinners-and-movies.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 14:24	Oh he loves women, alright. As long as they do what he says and says what he approves of. He can afford "the best", I'm sure. HBO pays him nicely.
shamash 16-Mar-12, 14:26	an issue of foreseeable injury Granted, there's nothing actionable in his <<"So Miss Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.">> However, regarding calling Sandra Fluke a prostitute and a slut, afterwards, on March 3rd Rush Limbaugh stated: <<"I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.">> A litigation attorney could lay a foundation for proximate causality, with negligence as a cause of action, that the speaker in choosing his words might have anticipated the harm caused to Ms. Fluke's reputation, and that Limbaugh's commercial sponsors (depending on their disclaimers aired during that show) bear a responsibility for enabling the words he chose to be broadcast nationwide, although the damaging consequences could have been reasonably foreseen. That's radio -- in terms of damage from slander. As to his describing law student Sandra fluke as a "slut" and a "prostitute", Rush Limbaugh also added: <<"I again sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for using those two words to describe her. I do not think that she is either of those two words. I did not think last week that she is either of those two words.">> If Limbaugh had said all this in print, first that Sandra Fluke was a slut and a prostitute, and then that he publicly described her that way although he did not think she was, I would say he would be vulnerable to a strong and meritorious lawsuit for libel -- and likely to be found at fault, with damages awarded to Fluke for injury to her future professional reputation as well as significant non-economic damages for her actual pain & suffering.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 14:28	We live in a lawsuit culture. It does not surprise me that gold-diggers sue people with money.
dmaestro 16-Mar-12, 14:38	She should sue Rush.
shamash 16-Mar-12, 14:38	no, it's a culture of using courts of law and not vigilante force It "does not surprise me" that in a land where the law is above person and privilege, people utilize their courts to defend their rights, asking the Court to enforce the consequences of predatory actions, including the reckless indifference of commentators -- whether a Limbaugh or a Maher.
dmaestro 16-Mar-12, 14:40	Exclude zombie dittoheads from the jury, and she could win.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 14:44	You won't find a jury in the United States - that is fair and unbiased.
zorroloco 16-Mar-12, 14:57	art do you really have such a low opinion of all americans? i find that sad.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 15:28	I have a low opinion of ... - the legal system in America. I found O.J. Simpson to be guilty.
babe100 16-Mar-12, 15:37	Load of Crap So in a nutshell your answer is a lawyer wants to sue somebody. She's a well known far left activist with a known agenda. She was inserted by the left into their Republican's hate women campaign. Now Shamash you speak of her "meritorious" lawsuit for libel. Shamash, you've been hanging out with these guys too long. They're getting to you bro. If that's the case Shamash any dialogue is unlikely.
dmaestro 16-Mar-12, 15:40	Legal experts agree she has a good libel case and she should to teach el ditto a lesson. "Dialogue" with dittoheads is an oxymoron, not possible.
shamash 16-Mar-12, 15:41	no, there are no grounds for a lawsuit for libel. there might have been had Limbaugh with the same reckless indifference to injury said what he later said he did not believe, but had said it in print.
thearrtofnoise 16-Mar-12, 15:55	If she wants the attention ... and is willing to commit the time, I say bring it on. But be prepared to live a life under that high heat. Rush has been in the kitchen for 20 years.
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