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Time to unmask will come soon. |
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I Want to See And the fact he keeps firing the attorney generals investigating him and his friends should set off alarm bells in anyone. |
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Shiva Should. You’d think, hmmm? |
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jonheck 20-Jun-20, 13:30 |
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jon youtu.be |
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), right, and Sens. John Thune (R-S.D.) and John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) arrive wearing masks to speak to reporters after the weekly Senate Republican caucus policy luncheon. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), right, and Sens. John Thune (R-S.D.) and John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) arrive wearing masks to speak to reporters after the weekly Senate Republican caucus policy luncheon. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters) The last Republican vice president, Richard B. Cheney, and his Wyoming congresswoman daughter, Liz, say wearing masks is manly. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) says there should be no stigma associated with covering one’s face as public health experts advise, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) says doing so is essential to fully reopening the economy. The GOP-led city of Jacksonville — which President Trump recently selected to host many of the Republican National Convention festivities in part because of its relatively lax public health restrictions — is now mandating people wear masks in indoor public spaces. And even Sean Hannity and Steve Doocy, two of Trump’s most fervent and loyal boosters on Fox News Channel, have joined the chorus of mask advocates. “I think that if the president wore one, it would just set a good example,” Doocy said Tuesday on “Fox & Friends” as he interviewed Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel. “MAGA should now stand for ‘masks are great again.’ Let me give you some marketing advice right there.” McDaniel chuckled and said she would “take that under consideration” — but her laugh underscored the reality that Trump is unlikely to change his campaign slogan. The president has refused to trumpet his own administration’s recommendation that people cover their faces, nor has he set an example by wearing a mask at public events. In fact, he has used his bully pulpit to mock others who do and to cast doubt on the efficacy of masks. But with coronavirus cases soaring across the nation — and most precipitously across Florida, Texas and other parts of so-called Trump country — many prominent Republicans are now echoing the pleas of infectious-diseases expert Anthony S. Fauci and other health experts that people wear masks to slow the spread of the virus and help the economy reopen safely. Republicans are practically begging Trump to tell people to wear a mask. He still won’t listen. The recent shift on the political right has left Trump isolated, with the president and his White House staff openly resisting the calls for mask-wearing. “The president has said he has no problem with masks, that he encourages people to make whatever decision is best for their safety and to follow what their local jurisdictions say,” White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Tuesday. “CDC guidelines are still recommended but not required, and the president is the most tested man in America.” That is a marked contrast in tone from other elected Republicans who have been talking about the issue in recent days with fresh urgency. Particularly among GOP senators, there has been a noticeable uptick in public comments and social media posts proactively encouraging the public to adorn masks as the number of infections rises nationwide. Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) — who usually wears a patriotic, flag-emblazoned mask around the Hill — tweeted Monday that wearing a mask is “one of the simplest and easiest ways to help stop the spread of #COVID19.” Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), the second-oldest member of the Senate, on Monday posted a photo on Instagram of himself wearing a mask with the logo of the University of Northern Iowa. The photo’s caption read, “everybody’s got to do their share.” McConnell told reporters on Tuesday, as he waved his Washington Nationals logo mask, “What we’re all trying to demonstrate for everybody in the country is, the single most important thing you can do — not only to protect yourself but to protect others — until we get a vaccine, is put on a mask. It’s not complicated.” At a coronavirus hearing Tuesday, Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) said, “Unfortunately this simple lifesaving practice has become part of a political debate that says: If you’re for Trump, you don’t wear a mask. If you’re against Trump, you do. That is why I have suggested the president should occasionally wear a mask even though there are not many occasions when it is necessary for him to do so. The president has millions of admirers. They would follow his lead.” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) told reporters last week, “Everyone should just wear a damn mask.” Michael Steele, a former RNC chairman, said Republican leaders have hardened their position on masks simply because the virus is infecting “the heart of their base, which we all knew it would.” Residents in so-called red states, Steele said, “don’t have superpowers and aren’t somehow immune from the ravages of covid-19. That’s why it was paramount for the president to be the voice of leadership here, not to undermine the scientists, not to berate the Dr. Faucis of the world. And now Fox says the president should set a good example and put on a mask. Really, now? After 120,000 deaths? After a million-plus people get infected?” The rise in cases has not changed the thinking inside the White House. Officials there have long defended the rejection of masks by Trump and many on his staff by arguing that and anyone who comes into close contact with the president is regularly tested for the coronavirus. Vice President Pence has worn a mask on several recent occasions, including a trip over the weekend to Texas, one of the nation’s virus hot spots. He decides when to cover his face based on state and local guidelines as well as a predetermination of whether social distancing can or cannot be maintained, according to a White House official. |
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jonheck 02-Jul-20, 04:12 |
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He lying |
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MSNBC |
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dmaestro 04-Jul-20, 11:45 |
The war over masks shows the damage Trump has done. |
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Karen doesn’t wanna wear a mask!!! Stupid people! Hint - if you can scream and yell, you don’t have a breathing problem that keeps you from wearing a mask!! Are some ‘anti-maskers’ falsely claiming Gov. Kate Brown’s face covering order doesn’t apply to them -- for medical reasons? By Aimee Green | The Oregonian/OregonLive Today 7:00 AM The mandatory mask ordinance in Mobile, Ala., went into effect on Friday, July 3, 2020 Since Gov. Kate Brown ordered Oregonians statewide to wear masks inside grocery stores and other businesses last week, some residents who are philosophically opposed to covering their mouths and noses have come up with an easy out: Declaring a medical exemption. Brown’s July 1 order exempts anyone with a medical condition “that makes it hard to breathe” or with “a disability that prevents the individual from wearing a mask” during the novel coronavirus pandemic. So far the governors of 22 states have instituted statewide mask orders, and all 22 have allowed exemptions for medical conditions. Disability groups and doctors agree that there is a very small but real group of people who shouldn’t wear masks for health reasons. But in Oregon and across the nation, the veracity of health claims made by a much larger group of maskless people has been viewed with suspicion. One Portland woman proudly tweeted: “I went to the mall the other day, (T)arget, Peet’s... got asked to wear a mask and said I have a health condition so I didn’t have to wear one ...it works... (M)asks are not effective anyways.” An Oregon judge, too, seemed dubious when a maskless defendant showed up to Sweet Home Municipal Court, explaining he has a sensitive respiratory system and couldn’t follow court rules to wear one. After the defendant walked out on the hearing, the judge ordered him arrested on accusations of failure to appear and contempt of court, then told him he’d better show up to his next appearance with a doctor’s note, a mask or head back to jail. In one of the most viral mask videos to hit social media so far, a southern California woman raised eyebrows for her loud reaction when she was told to put on a mask. Cellphone videos by other customers show her yelling expletives at Trader Joe’s employees, throwing her shopping basket on the floor and then wagging her finger as she said: “I have a breathing problem. My doctor would not let me wear a mask.” *** Some medical professionals say it’s the rare medical condition that might make it dangerous to cover up. Those conditions include people with extreme respiratory ailments or muscular or motor-control disorders that prevent them from removing a mask in an emergency. An Oregon Health & Science University review of various clinical studies, published last month in the Annals of Internal Medicine, found no evidence of serious harm from masks. Rather, the review concluded that masks are effective at slowing the spread of the novel coronavirus. OHSU pulmonologist Gopal Allada, M.D., who didn’t take part in the review, said he hadn’t seen an assortment of videos online showing irate shoppers arguing that their breathing problems preclude them from wearing masks. But he said these shoppers don’t sound like the type of people whose respiratory systems would prevent them from covering up. “If somebody is screaming and protesting up and down, that tells me they probably have a certain amount of respiratory reserve to scream and make a ruckus,” Allada said. “If they can do that, they can probably put on a mask and walk very slowly and grocery shop.” Allada said it’d be far more dangerous for his patients -- most who have heart and lung disease that affect their respiratory systems -- to forgo masks. They’re the very people who are likely to suffer the most severe complications if they catch COVID-19, he said. Allada said if a patient’s health condition is so dire, he’d advise that they stay home. “If they’re that sick where they can’t wear a mask while grocery shopping, then I have to be pretty frank with them -- that if they get COVID they could end up in the hospital in the intensive care unit and potentially pass away,” Allada said. Advocates for people with disabilities point out there are some people with conditions that aren’t visible who might encounter extreme distress from covering their faces. That includes some people with autism, claustrophobia or post traumatic stress disorder. As long as businesses and government agencies make reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities, the advocacy group Disability Rights Oregon welcomes Brown’s mask order. Those accommodations might include having employees grocery shop for people with disabilities who can’t wear masks or informing people with disabilities about pickup or delivery options. Doctors’ offices might offer accommodations through telemedicine. By far, people with disabilities benefit from universal mask orders because they're at greatest risk of complications from COVID-19 if they come down with it, said Jake Cornett, executive director of Disability Rights Oregon. “When others really refuse to wear a mask, it’s dangerous and it says that the lives of people with disabilities don’t matter,” Cornett said. “And I can’t really imagine a more shameful thing than that.” *** So can a business deny service to maskless customers, whether they have medical conditions or not? Many legal experts say yes: The Americans with Disabilities Act doesn’t empower people with disabilities to enter businesses without masks because businesses or governments can legitimately argue that maskless customers pose a “direct threat” to public health. Some customers have fired back by flashing “face mask exempt” cards that are issued by the “Freedom To Breathe Agency.” The cards state that their holders have conditions that prevent them from donning masks -- and threaten stiff penalties for “denying access to your business/organization.” The cards are emblazoned with the seal of the U.S. Department of Justice. The department has debunked the cards, saying it hasn’t issued them to anyone and the “Freedom to Breathe Agency” isn’t a governmental agency. On top of that, the American Civil Liberties Union -- which is one of the nation’s most zealous defenders of individuals’ constitutional rights -- doesn’t oppose mask mandates. Sarah Armstrong, a spokeswoman for ACLU Oregon, said the organization acknowledges the “overwhelming support” mask mandates have gained from public health experts. *** Although legal experts say businesses are justified in barring maskless customers, many businesses are reluctant to take any action at all -- whether customers have genuine medical conditions or not. Some are even reluctant to talk about it. Fred Meyer spokesman Jeffery Temple didn’t answer a question posed by The Oregonian/OregonLive about whether store employees would require a maskless customer to leave. Representatives at Trader Joe’s didn’t respond to a similar question posed by the news organization. But a TriMet representative acknowledged the difficulties of confronting the public. Spokesperson Tyler Graf said inquiring why a passenger isn’t covering up could leave them feeling “uncomfortable or embarrassed” and escalate tensions. “While it is unfortunate that some people have turned mask-wearing into a personal issue and may be untruthful about having a medical condition, operators are not in a position to investigate people’s claims,” Graf said. Graf said the agency wants to avoid confrontations that can turn heated and has told bus and train operators not to demand compliance. Instead, the agency is focused on educating the public about the mask requirement and hoping for some goodwill, too. “We can’t state it enough,” Graf said. “We are asking that people do the right thing for the health and safety of those around them.” www.oregonlive.com |
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dmaestro 09-Jul-20, 12:20 |
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stalhandske 09-Jul-20, 21:04 |
This is true. But, again about this issue, there is exaggeration also in the "pro-mask" direction. I've seen several American TV interviews, for example, where people keep masks quite unnecessarily. Americans are able to make even an issue like this into a big political problem! And it is BIG! As far as I understood the WH spokesperson, the WHO recommendation, first against and later for masks, was one of the top reasons that Trump reversed US membership in that organisation. |
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anti-maskers I still believe something is better than nothing in protecting self and others from CV infection. Just like condom which cannot protect you 100 % from STDs and unwanted pregnancy, it still provide you with some kind of protection. That is a good question and 1A issue. Can the state force you to wear a mandatory masks. Can the state put a non-compliant anti-maskers in jail ? |
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Ace |
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Zorro |
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If I see anyone Simple. |
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If your clients refuse to wear masks, what can you do ? youtu.be Zorro is a school teacher and I believe his school is close during this cv pandemic. He can stay home and avoid the people who may be carriers or have cv infection but not all other people are that lucky. The above youtube story is about a bus driver in southern France. The government wants his citizens to wear masks during the outbreak of cv pandemic. There were 5 passengers without masks trying to board the bus. The bus driver insisted that they should wear masks. They got angry and the bus driver was fatally beaten on the head. He got brain death and died later at the hospital. He left behind his wife and 3 daughters. Please watch the above youtube video for details. |
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Ace Seems obvious. Did you have a question? |
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Zorro, what difference does it make at this point ? The driver is already dead. Jesus could resurrect dead Lazarus but we cannot do anything for the driver to come back alive. What are you going to achieve to put them in jail ? Just sing along with HRC and enjoy the lyrics. |
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Ace What’s the point? You advocate lawlessness and no consequences for criminal acts? I didn’t have you pegged as an anarchist, |
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stalhandske 18-Jul-20, 06:38 |
Sick! |
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Stal What were left with is... well you can see for yourself. |
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Are you kidding?! You could extend that logic to any murder ever committed. That’s totally insane. |
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