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apatzer 25-Oct-19, 16:15	Thumper And no I wasn't speaking about 63 million people at all, just the one's who I have encountered. And 63 million people (Approximately) did vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I would say a vast majority of those people, were really voting against HRC more so. That was their pourpose. However that is supposition on my part. What the real problem is Americans on both sides of the isle have decided that Tribalism is more important than Unity
apatzer 25-Oct-19, 16:25	Also, just my opinion So when the Chief of your tribe (who you say you are not fond of) spouts all manner of divisive rhetoric like calling people Human scrum and all manner of other labels and names. You (appear to me) (I could be wrong) completely silent. You a quick to speak out about what you see as injustice (which is good) however when it is one sided that isn't holding to Truth, it is holding to tribe
apatzer 25-Oct-19, 16:50	Ace of Aces And then there is this... With the stage being set as we speak www.jashow.org Take a good look at the listed Nations
thumper 25-Oct-19, 17:22	Apatzer Yes, from what I understand a lot of people voted for Trump while holding their nose. In their estimation, voting for Hillary was worse. I don't rail against Trump for several reasons. First, I can't trust all that's said about him in a partisan MSM. I've caught them in too many lies, distortions and fabrications to believe what they say. Of what little I do understand of him (on a personal level) I don't like him. He's apparently the opposite of those I choose to associate with. Secondly, there are plenty of people in these clubs dedicating large numbers of threads saying plenty of 'negative' things about him so what's the point of me doing similar? That's not my character or personality. Thirdly, I'm not a real political maven and bitching about stuff has little to do with my life. I do pay attention but generally hold my council about such things.
apatzer 25-Oct-19, 17:27	Thumper Well said and I respect that. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
apatzer 25-Oct-19, 17:35	On the same token tho, there are way more sources than MSN. What really strikes me when I talk to some people. Is everyone else is lying, former friends and associates, staffers, former Lawyer's, all press. Everyone else is lying or has an axe to grind, and all of his sexual assult case's (some he settled out of court. They are all good digger's who want his money. IMHO everything about this man is a fasad, appearances and he has lied to me so many times, I don't believe a word he says. But instead of simply not believing or believing everything he says, I check multiple sources and If I'm wrong I say so. There is something very wrong with that man.
ace-of-aces 10-Feb-20, 14:12	God bless America. Trump is innocent and was acquitted. www.youtube.com Please review my previous messages. Trump was falsely accused of Russian collusion. Mueller could not find any impeachable offense against Trump. Democrats were not satisfied and launched another Ukrainian hoax. They could impeach him because they have tyranny of the majority votes but they were defeated and humiliated in the senate. I told you before that Trump is a victim of Deep state which uses FBI burglars to spy on Trump and to invade his personal lawyer Cohen. FBI confiscated his personal files. Finally, the good conquers over evil. Thank God who bless America and Trump. Do nothing but impeach Trump, Democrats should now concentrate their attention on welfare of our nation.
lord_shiva 10-Feb-20, 16:54	Groper was NOT Innocent Groper was guilty as sin, and the people voting to not hold him accountable for his crimes admitted as much. Susan Collins said she hoped Groper learned his lesson--but the only lesson he learned was that spineless Senate Republicans will watch his back with regards to whatever crimes he might wish to commit. Mueller DID find impeachable offenses and sent that information on to congress, which chose to reject its responsibility. You really should read the report, Ace, instead of listening to the Fox lies and distortions about it. By trying to prevent Groper from further abuse of his office Democrats ARE serving the interests of our nation. We were never intended to be run as a fascist dictatorship like Groper hopes to install.
ace-of-aces 24-Feb-20, 05:53	How deep is the Deep State (DS) ? DS started even before Trump was inaugurated as POTUS while he was assembling his cabinet members at Trump tower in NY. Using phony FISA court warrant, FBI Comey and other intelligent agencies were wiretapping Trump tower. General Michael Flynn was talking to Russian ambassador by phone. Russian collusion hoax was beginning. He denied that he talked to Russians. Flynn fell into perjury trap and was fired. To spy on president Trump, FISA abuse requires several agencies including FBI, CIA, DOJ, fake news media and politicians to work together. DOJ has to approve first on available evidence provided by FBI and apply for permission to spy at FISA court. Comey submitted 4 times based on phony Russian dossier to get FISA warrant and all were granted. To spy on president like Trump a lot of co-ordination is necessary among those unscrupulous people including DOJ Loretta Lynch and even Obama who were in charge at that time, IMHO.
zorroloco 24-Feb-20, 06:07	Lol Deep state! Also the tooth’s fairy and Santa Clause. Oh Ace...
lord_shiva 24-Feb-20, 06:59	No One wiretapped Groper. He is a liar, and that is merely one of his lies. Ask yourself why you are so gullible. Why do you believe every lie that parts the lips of this liar? His lies are not even credible. How does the liar get away with it? 16,000 lies just since lying about the size of his inauguration.
zorroloco 24-Feb-20, 07:17	Shiva There are none so blind as those who will not see
mo-oneandmore 24-Feb-20, 07:39	zorro Thanks for filling in the gaps on Ace's Deep State conspiracy theories.  Mo
ace-of-aces 10-May-20, 20:30	What is the significance of General Flynn's perjury trap ? youtu.be It clearly showed that instead of preventing crime, the corrupt top law enforcement agency FBI headed by Comey promoted crime by creating a perjury trap on General Flynn. FBI was illegally wiretapping and spying on Flynn when he was talking to Russian ambassador by phone when he was at the Trump tower before Trump's inauguration to become the POTUS. FBI had a transcript of the phone conversation between the two. Flynn did not say anything wrong against US. He was prosecuted for lying to VP Pence that he did not talk to the Russian ambassador. DOJ now dropped all the charges against him. For details, please check the above youtube video.
lord_shiva 11-May-20, 07:06	Perjury Trap? I guess if we expected ANYONE connected to Groper's campaign not to lie to the FBI (or anyone else), then asking them questions would naturally be a trap.
stalhandske 11-May-20, 07:32	Well, I wonder if you can disregard this that simply - based on the statement of the White House www.youtube.com
lord_shiva 11-May-20, 10:14	Why Did Groper Fire Flynn? He fired the DNI for lying to VP Pence and pleading guilty to lying to the FBI. Now suddenly Flynn is innocent? The same way everyone onnected to the Groper crime syndicate is transformed into innocent? Swear allegiance to Groper and your virginity is restored? Citation to follow.
lord_shiva 11-May-20, 10:17	Flynn's Firing I cannot open this link but suspect it includes the text of Trump's sensible and self incriminating tweet (Trump KNEW Flynn lied--as though suborning perjury). thehill.com
ace-of-aces 11-May-20, 10:25	Perjury Trap versus Miranda Rights youtu.be LS raises an interesting question. Can FBI asks any questions to somebody so that it can be used against that person one day ? I don't believe so. We have Miranda Rights and warning. If a criminal suspect is apprehended by a law enforcement officer such as a police officer he has to inform the suspect that he can remain silent. General Flynn is a previous security chief of the Defense Department. Since he was chosen by Trump to become the NSA chief, FBI gave a security briefing of the current state of affairs. FBIs including Comey did not like him and wanted to replace him with the one who favors them. So, they set up a trap and asked him, whether he talked to Russian ambassador. He got caught up in the trap. If the FBI wanted to take action against him, FBI should clearly stated the purpose in the beginning of the meeting. Miranda was a criminal and confessed his crimes in writing to the police without the presence of his lawyers. His confession was thrown out of the course and he was set free. Since then, the police and other law enforcement officers have to inform the suspect about the Miranda warning before they can interrogate him. Please check the Miranda warning below. en.wikipedia.org You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions. You have the right to have a lawyer with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop answering at any time.
lord_shiva 11-May-20, 10:30	Lying to Pence? That is not a crime. Flynn was FIRED for lying to Pence, NOT prosecuted. He was PROSECUTED for lying o the FBI. Get it straight, Ace. Your twisting of reality to protect Groper is commendable, except loyalty to Groper is a one way street. His sycophants are extremely loyal, and Groper is extremely loyal to himself.
zorroloco 11-May-20, 10:40	Shiva His acolytes actually think he cares about them!!! 👀🤣🤣🤣🤣
zorroloco 11-May-20, 10:44	In fact IHS refers to him elsewhere as the squad leader. I more appropriately compared him to the commanders ordering the troops to charge the machine guns at Gallipoli. Or the commanders telling the Light Brigade to do or die (hint - they died)
lord_shiva 11-May-20, 10:49	<<FBI gave a security briefing of the current state of affairs. FBIs including Comey did not like him and wanted to replace him with the one who favors them. So, they set up a trap and asked him, whether he talked to Russian ambassador. He got caught up in the trap.>> FBI could give excrement who Trump picks for DNI. Sally Yates was concerned because the Russians had comromat on Flynn, they were well aware of his lies. Groper fired Yates for airing her concerns to him. How was this a trap? How did the FBI know Flynn was going to lie to them? How did they compel him to lie? Did the DNI not know lying to the FBI is a crime? It is like, "here is a bear trap. Do not step in it." And Flynn steps on it, snapping it tight around his foot, and he pries the jaws just far enough apart to wriggle in his other foot too.
ace-of-aces 11-May-20, 11:16	Flynn versus President Clinton on Perjury. When a person is subpoenaed and under oath at the court of law, he/she cannot lie and if get caught, one can be severely punished. President Clinton was investigated by special counsel Kenneth Star. Under oath, he denied that he had sex (blow job ) at the White House, Oval office but he was caught lying because his semen stained skirt was preserved by intern Lewinsky who performed the BJ. DNA analysis of the semen can clearly identify the owner of the semen who sows the seeds. Clinton was impeached but he was not removed from the office. Compared to Clinton's impeachment, Flynn was caught lying but he later admitted his guilt. IMHO, actually it is not a perjury because he did not lie under oath. Some, if not majority of the politicians lie and most of them are not prosecuted. Two consenting adults, having sex without harm to each other commit no crimes. President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky enjoyed mutual pleasurable sex. Only jealous people suffer. Even his wife did not show much anger by threatening to divorce him. Of course, extramarital sex is morally wrong. You don't need to lecture me about this matter. Having talked about Clinton's sexual adventure in the White House where he did not commit any other serious crimes, did Flynn commit also any other serious crimes ? The answer is absolutely, "No". Flynn is a much decorated General and has an impeccable military career of 33 years. He did not commit any perjury since he was not under oath when FBI Comey questioned him. If President Clinton could be served until his term expired, why not Flynn can be exonerated and then reinstate to serve many more years ? I believe Trump is trying to do so.
ace-of-aces 11-May-20, 13:27	stal's question, Well, I wonder if you can disregard this that simply - based on the statement of the White House ------------- stal is correct, when nothing happened after Trump said, " Mexico will pay the construction of the wall to prevent the illegals from south of the border to come into US. " Is Trump lying ? If it is not true why people voted for him ? Can you take some actions against Trump for lying ? I don't think so. If you don't trust a politician just don't vote him. When the election is near, at the election year, it is normal for the politicians to launch mud slinging operations against each other and at the same time they will also say that I am the best to perform the job. It is similar to applying a job. When you apply a job, you will put all the positive findings of yourself and leave the negative findings to get a competitive job. Mud slinging operation has its limits. You cannot use a false statement as a weapon to character assassinate your political opponents. For example, I am a politician and say, " I am squeaky clean. Vote for me. Stal is a woman abuser, liar and thief. I reported to the police and they are investigating it." In the meantime, stal lost his job or was not selected to a position. This actually happened to Flynn. Not only he lost his job, he lost a lot of money and his home to pay his lawyers. Poor Flynn, he is broke now. I apologize if you get upset for presenting you as a liar. Otherwise, naïve people will not understand and presume that false statement or lying is always a benign process that you would like to ignore. Current FBI chief, Chris Wray does not want to do anything to clean the swamp. He is trying to protect them by saying, " They make mistakes." At this point, how can you believe that it is a simple mistake when FBI ruin the life of Flynn ? If stal is in his place, he will also defend the innocence with all his might. It is just not a simple mistake. They are doing the same to Trump in Russian collusion hoax. DOJ has now ample evidence to prove the facts. In the transcripts, previous Obama's higher administrators stated clearly that none of them believe there was Russian collusion. The hoax becomes a criminal offense when it is used to destroy an innocent person. In a civilized society, law abiding citizens cannot disregard and ignore it that you would like to suggest.
lord_shiva 11-May-20, 16:24	Russian Collusion Groper's lie is that this was a hoax. No hoax. Deadly serious matter. Groper lied about collusion, and he lied about extortion. Groper is a liar, through and through. What you Ned to do is figure out how Groper is lying to you. Is it a simple, blatant lie, like most of his lies, or is the lie more subtle--playing on our prejudices? Groper told you he fired Flynn for lying to Pence and pleading guilty to lying to the FBI. Now over two thousand (2000) ex justice officials have requested Barr's resignation over the injustice of acquitting criminal Flynn.
lord_shiva 11-May-20, 16:25	Weaponizing Lies Groper paid Reade to launch false allegations against Biden.
lord_shiva 11-May-20, 16:42	Barr Resignation The letter asks the federal judge overseeing Flynn’s case to dismiss the Department’s request to drop the charges: “Attorney General Barr’s repeated actions to use the Department as a tool to further President Trump’s personal and political interests have undermined any claim to the deference that courts usually apply to the Department’s decisions about whether or not to prosecute a case.” The letter also calls on Congress to hold Barr’s hearing before the House Judiciary Committee “as soon as safely possible” in order to “demand that he answer for his abuses of power” and “censure [him] for his repeated assaults on the rule of law in doing the President’s personal bidding rather than acting in the public interest.” CRITICAL QUOTE “We continue to believe that it would be best for the integrity of the Justice Department and for our democracy for Attorney General Barr to step aside,” write the DOJ alums calling for Barr’s resignation. www.forbes.com
zorroloco 11-May-20, 16:46	Ace Hint When you embrace the Deceiver, You become the deceiver. Who do you want to be?
apatzer 11-May-20, 22:42	Ace of Aces 1 lie can actually be a mistake or a miscalculation. 2 lies can be the same as #1. ( reason) 3 lies and it still can be the same and is a sign of bad judgment. 4 lies and the person could just be a braggard. 5 lies and the person probably has a problem with bragging and lying. 6 lies the person more than likely has a problem with lying. 7 lies and they definitely have a problem with lying, Ace; shall I go all the way through the 13,000 mischaracterizations , half truths, deception and outright lies? I don't think the human language is adequate enough to do that. reference John 8:44
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