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thumper
09-Oct-12, 07:48

Current stories the MSM avoids
It's a good thing the legacy media no longer enjoys an information dissemination monopoly

Poll: Scott Brown Leads Elizabeth Warren by 4 in Massachusetts Senate Race

Obama Campaign Scrambles to Kill Illegal Online Fundraising Story
by Wynton Hall

Obama Campaign Lashes Out With 'Big Bird' Attack
by John Nolte

Study: Nearly Half of Washington State's Jobs from China
by Warner Todd Huston

Calif. Gov Takes Action as Gas Prices Keep Rising

Schweizer, Bannon Expose Vulnerabilities in Online Campaign Fundraising

Romney: 'Hope Is Not A Strategy'

Newsweek: GAI Report Reveals Obama's 'Illegal-Donor Loophole'
Alexander Marlow

Iowa Poll: 68% Support Photo ID Law

Nevada Voter Fraud Law Upheld, ACORN Conviction Sustained

Daily Kos Poll: Romney Leads by 2, Big Gains with Women, Independents

Gasoline Prices Still Climbing in Calif.

Obama Campaign Lashes Out With 'Big Bird' Attack

Poll: Scott Brown Leads Elizabeth Warren by 4 in Massachusetts Senate Race

New America Foundation: Another 'Non-Partisan' Group Goes Hard Left...Again

Report: Nearly Half of Congress Vulnerable to Fraudulent, Foreign Online Donation

Obama.com Owner Part of U.S. Delegation on Biden's 2011 China Trip

Bombshell Report Sparks International Flood of Tips on Foreign Online Donations

Pew: Romney Takes 4 Point Lead, Beats Obama on Favorability

Study: Nearly Half of Washington State's Jobs from China

www.breitbart.com
zorroloco
09-Oct-12, 07:51

stories breitbart avoids
breitbart is the news source for bird brains
zorroloco
09-Oct-12, 07:56

seriously thumper
you can read all the biased news sources you want. but please, don't pollute the club with this crap. if you have any of your own opinions, feel free to post them. but your mo of posting crap, and never responding to questions is childish and silly.

save it for the body politic, where like minded individuals can cogratulate themselves and pat themselves on the back for how smart they are.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 08:36

i second then motion.....
foxnews is unfair and unbalanced. Nothing but lies, smokescreens,innuendos,designed to scare angry white men. I will be very happy when The President is re-elected. Then i can point to all the crap these zombies have posted and say(with great relish)..'tough luck guys' guess you were really really really 'WRONG'. payback's b...h
chaz-
09-Oct-12, 08:44

... if there is a particular issue/lie/contentious point or whatever, let's examine it no matter what the source; but, we don't need floods of nonsense. It takes both courage and humility to have honest and civil discussions. ...and let's try harder to stop the namecalling and bullying; it serves no purpose.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 08:48

i do not discussus or debate anymore with
people who use breitbart as a source of data. This disqualifies you from normal Human discussion. Because this source is corrupt and untruthful..... it is right-wing propaganda at its best and 'evil' at worst.Sorry.....
chaz-
09-Oct-12, 09:04

... that makes you look narrow-minded on the opposite side of an issue. Ignore the flood of nonsense, sure; but don't slam the door in such a prejudicial way ... that's all. Of course, you can do what you wish.
zorroloco
09-Oct-12, 09:05

chaz
good one.

let's talk about romney's 'hope is not a strategy.'

he says that, but then it appears his entire campaign is based on 'trust me.' doesn't anyone else see the irony?

chaz-
09-Oct-12, 09:22

z ...
... that's a tough one without any details to discuss. Mitt has suggested greater military force in Syria ... that was more specific.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 09:37

if a sources of info are tainted
and the people shoveling it are 'completely' unreachable to reasonable ideas then what's the point?. I have read the conversations here, and at Bodypolitic stretching back a year or more, and have seen 'no' instance in which a right-winger has changed his mind or his source of information. I have seen the left forever trying to find common ground though, and give way on important issues in the hopes of appearing reasonable. But for the most part to no avail. So call me narrow minded!! I think I'm using my brain and not compromising my principles to 'appear' fare.. Foxnews and other biased right wing news sources are 'immoral' Organizations dedicated to lying. You want to argue ad infinitum with them go ahead. I prefer 'even,fair,true and clear thinking, media sources. The right wing is full of hatred and that's just what the Corporations want. Right now i and others are Organizing Vermont polling stations. We will 'NOT' allow right-wing intimidation or voter suppression. We will not argue,we will not 'equivocate' we will not compromise. Every one who wants to vote,be he left or right will be allowed. The time for argument is over. The time for action is now.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 10:12

chaz5
why should i care if i 'appear' narrow minded to the opposite camp. Did they care when right-wing governors enacted voter restriction laws in the name of 'voter' fraud that does not exist? Did they care when the right wing governor's enacted strict anti-abortion legislation in so many states( paying their dues to their christian fundamentalists). Did they care that the US House of representatives spent most of there time writing legislation attacking contraception, instead of jobs bills? No they did not care. In-fact they swallowed it all whole like the mindless zombies they are. So why should i care what they think??? Tell me why?????.

PS; They care only for what they are told to care about.
dmaestro
09-Oct-12, 10:37

I see a lot of the stuff thumper posts. I find the sources biased and inaccurate, but I will discuss a specific issue based on facts. The job of the msm is to present a balanced view, while the sources thumper uses have only one purpose, advocate a right wing Pov.
chaz-
09-Oct-12, 10:51

bc ...
... it's always your choice to be or to appear to be whatever you want to be ... just like Thumper...
zorroloco
09-Oct-12, 10:59

bc
i have to agree with chaz. in your zeal, you often appear like a left wing counterpart to the extreme right wing thumper.

who do you want to be? and what are the bars by which you measure yourself? is it your goal to counterbalance right wing extremism with left wing zealotry?

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

sometimes in fighting against extremism, we can become that which we are fighting if we are not careful. look at gw bush and don dumsfeld - in fighting terrorism, they resorted to torture, making them that which they purported to be fighting.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 11:05

i will discuss based on facts 'ONLY'
but the minute you bring breitbart or shaun hannity or some other liar into the picture then that changes things. for how can you do this when they think such sources are legitimate? And if chaz wants to compare me with this thumper character then that's his choice also. But i don't forget such things. There comes a time when good-willed people have to stand up and be counted. Not skulk in the corner wearing the cloak of 'neutrality'.
"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" EB
chaz-
09-Oct-12, 11:22

... one person's facts are often another person's myths. I'm not defending the myths when used as fact, but I think our "process" to balance the thinking cannot use the same weapons. It will not achieve your intentions.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 11:59

you speak of a moral equivilency
that does 'not' exist. The right wing has moved further and further from the center. It no longer represents the majority of Americans. It is now attempting to legitimize lies,Strip away Women's rights,strip away voters rights thus destroying our democracy,strip away gay rights,and start another round of destructive and inhuman Wars designed to enrich their real handlers(the military industrial complex),Destroy the environment and pollute the very air we breath. And you say use milder weapons?????? You say compromise? This cannot be tolerated. But what do 'you' think are my intentions? If its to savage the right wing by exposing there lies, then yes that is my intention. Not only here but on many social media sites. Also in my state, and with my vote. If you think i want to achieve a reasonable consensus then 'NO' that's not my intention. That would be impossible given the level of ignorance on the right. Again look at the legislative agenda of the GOP. I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE IT. If you had read as much World History as i have you would be very alarmed at the course of events.But it seems you have not. No disrespect intended but wake up!!!
zorroloco
09-Oct-12, 12:04

it is ironic
that thumper condemns the main stream media for omissions when it appears his main news source is the woefully biased dim-bart. here is a lovely example of the way breitbart spins - if they like it, it is the truth, but if they do not like it, it is pure liberal propaganda. don't get me wrong, the left does this as well. but, when someone idolizes everything breitbart says, then one is willfully ignorant.

Breitbart.com's Love-Hate-Love-Hate Relationship With CNN Polls
Blog ››› September 11, 2012 10:43 AM EDT ››› SIMON MALOY
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Polling is a tricky business. It's an inexact science predicated on extrapolating broad trends from small populations. The safest way to approach polls is to treat them as what they are: snapshots of a moment in time taken from a specific angle. The worst way to handle them is to do what Breitbart.com is doing with CNN's polls: treating them either as the unvarnished truth or a pernicious liberal conspiracy depending entirely on President Obama's numbers.

On June 1, CNN released a poll showing that the presidential race had tightened from the previous month, and Breitbart.com's John Sexton called it "bad news for the president."

More bad news for the President arrives today in the form of a new CNN poll. The poll, conducted May 29-31, shows the race for President has tightened significantly over the last month. If the election were held today, 49% would vote for Obama and 46% for Romney, which is within the poll's margin of error.

Last month CNN's poll showed the President with a 9-point advantage (52-43%). The high water mark for the President has been 54% in CNN's March poll.

On August 9, CNN released a poll showing Obama with a seven-point lead over Mitt Romney among registered voters, and Breitbart.com's Mike Flynn alleged "CNN Is Just Making Up Poll Numbers Now."

Okay, I'm not certain they are literally making up poll results, but the poll CNN and British market research firm ORC International released Thursday afternoon is so screwy and raises so many questions that they might as well be doing it intentionally. If CNN is already resorting to these kinds of tricks before the conventions have even started, it's going to be a very long campaign.

Almost a month later, on September 4, CNN released a poll showing that Romney's favorability numbers improved following the Republican National Convention. A month after accusing CNN of "making up poll numbers," Flynn touted the new CNN poll's numbers:

I know the media is telling us that Romney didn't receive a bounce in the polls after the RNC convention last week. Yet, a new poll released last night by CNN suggests otherwise. 53% of likely voters now have a favorable impression of Romney, against 43% who view him unfavorably. Before the convention, Romney's favorables were 50/46. This is a six-point improvement in his favorables. In other words, a bounce.

And just yesterday, CNN released its poll showing a large post-convention bounce for Obama, and Flynn was back to alleging that CNN is cooking its numbers, asking: "Did CNN Rig Its Own Poll?"

CNN is grabbing political headlines tonight with the release of its latest poll. It shows Obama surging to a 6-point lead over Romney, 52-46, among likely. Before the start of the Democrat convention, the candidates had been tied in the poll. Since it purportedly confirms a narrative the media is trying to build, i.e. that Obama is starting to pull away with the race, it is getting wide coverage. However, there are a couple of strange things within the poll that cast doubt on its veracity. And, at least one concern warrants a response from CNN.

This isn't a new phenomenon. Conservative bloggers routinely accuse pollsters of being liberal shills who purposefully distort their numbers to help out Democrats -- a serious accusation that they toss out with alarming ease and little justification. But the funny thing about polls is that they change, and all those accusations of misconduct and bias suddenly evaporate once the numbers shift in their preferred candidates' direction.

brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 12:42

Z
You said in a previous post;'''i have to agree with chaz. in your zeal, you often appear like a left wing counterpart to the extreme right wing thumper.''
And i say 'GOOD'. It appears to me that there is an outright attempt by a 'few' to steal our Democracy from right under us. The stakes are far to high to play 'sandbox' and act reasonable. It is a social 'WAR'. There will be a winner and a loser. And my rights and my future children's rights are at stake. The War is against Corporate interests not against right-wing zombies on this forum. The War is taking place around the levers of power. I am a combatant in this War. I will give no quarter nor ask for any. And there is no 'moral equivalency', that people seem to think exists. After this election i will return to my other interests gladly.Till then i don't care what you or chaz or anyone on either side thinks of me. You seem to forget that i started out on this forum with reasonable,non-partisan,respectful posts backed up by thoroughly accredited sources of information. You saw what the zombies said AND DID about that.I was attacked and labeled a Liberal(as if that was bad) and worse. So now i have girded myself for Battle.And i will see it through to the end. With great respect.... BC.


PS; nothing i have said is untrue. What Thumper and the other 'guys' have said and say 'is' untrue.But even if you 'demonstrate its truth or falsehood,they will not believe you!!!
softaire
09-Oct-12, 12:51

z
You see? This is why I can no longer (or very seldom) post in 1A.
chaz-
09-Oct-12, 12:54

... is it not strange how the extremists on either side get attacked the most?
zorroloco
09-Oct-12, 13:03

softy
i do see. it is hard for you to tolerate opposing points of view. i can respect that.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 13:14

extremist me?
I'm not taking away voters rights.I'm not taking away regulations that prevent pollution,I'm not taking away Women's rights. I;m not advocating 'no' regulations aimed at wall street to prevent another fleecing,I'm not advocating attacking Syria and Iran. I'm not advocating adding 2-trillion dollars more to an already obscenely bloated defense budget. I'm not advocating dismantling the safety net of millions of Americans. Thus enriching the insurance industry Not me!!. I'm not advocating raising taxes on middleclass Americans so i can give an even bigger tax break to rich folk (who avoid military service). I;m not advocating drilling oil every where regardless of the environmental impact for a short term profit for the oil companies that gouge us repeatedly. Not me!! And you call me extreme? If in the end these devils take over don't think you can say to them;'can't we talk about this guys,and be reasonable and not 'extreme'. They will say to you, 'sorry you have lost that right!!!' Wake up!!!.

softaire; if you don't post your talking points anymore because of me, then i guess i have succeeded somewhat in toning down the falsehoods.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-12, 13:39

the GOP seems to think
that they can do whatever they want. And that we Liberals have to get out of their way. Kinda reminds me of this speech in a very relevant movie;www.youtube.com



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