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theloneranger 01-Jan-08, 19:01 |
 I have had it!!18 degrees here today and I know that we never had it this bad before Bush got into office......... when will it end?? we never had weather so bad before the damn republicans gave their rich cronies in Detriot the right to make gas guzzling cars and SUV's and I know that Cheney is the one cutting down all the trees............ Please A Gore save us before we all burn in this heat!! |
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leo_london 02-Jan-08, 04:28 |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 04:51 |
dense....... Help us Al Gore.....save us from ourselves!!!! |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 07:59 |
Save Us Al........Save Us -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snow hits New England for 3rd day 1 hour, 11 minutes ago CONCORD, N.H. - Snow fell across parts of New England for the third day in a row Wednesday, adding to last month's record accumulations and closing schools. Flurries also extended into the Ohio Valley, and some children had an extra holiday as classes were canceled in parts of West Virginia and Ohio. Temperatures fell to freezing levels as far south as the Florida Panhandle, and wind chill readings were below zero in parts of northern Kentucky. Following the snowiest December on record, many areas of New Hampshire got about a foot of snow on New Year's Day, with a couple of inches added during the night and a couple more likely Wednesday. Storm totals could reach 18 inches in parts of Maine and New Hampshire and up to a foot in Vermont. The latest snowfall in New England followed a storm on Monday that made for the area's snowiest December in decades. December's snowfall at Concord, N.H., totaled 44.5 inches, toppling a record of 43 inches that had stood since 1876. Burlington, Vt., got 45.7 inches, far above its 17.2-inch December average, and Portland, Maine, amassed 37.7 inches for its third-snowiest December on record. "It's been unbelievable. It just keeps coming," said Bill Swain, spokesman for Maine's Sugarloaf USA ski area, which got 70 inches of snow in December. The snowfall delayed the start of the 2008 state legislative session in Augusta, Maine, from Wednesday morning until the afternoon. On the southern fringes of the storm on Wednesday, show was scattered from Ohio through eastern Kentucky and West Virginia into parts of Virginia and Maryland. Up to 6 inches of snow was possible Wednesday at higher elevations of West Virginia and eastern Kentucky, although 1- to 2-inch accumulations were likely in most areas, the weather service said. At least 40 of West Virginia's 55 counties closed all public schools Wednesday because of snow-covered roads and freezing temperatures. Dozens of schools also were closed Wednesday in southeastern Michigan, where a six-hour burst of snow early Tuesday dumped as much as 16 inches in a three-county area north of Detroit, the weather service said. "This will be a memorable storm for the amount of snow it dumped in such a short amount of time," weather service meteorologist David Shuler said. He said it was the region's heaviest New Year's Day snowstorm on record. The storm blacked out 10,000 customers Tuesday in northeast Ohio, where 15 inches of snow fell at in Pierpont, east of Cleveland. About 4,000 more lost power Tuesday evening in southwest Ohio when circuit breakers failed because of the cold. There were no immediate reports of deaths blamed on the weather. Snow covered a highway in northeast Indiana where a van overturned early Wednesday, killing two women, but State Police Cpl. Derek Fisher said he could not say if the weather contributed to the crash. ___ Associated Press writers Jeff Karoub and Jim Irwin in Detroit and David Sharp in Portland, Maine, contributed to this report. |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 08:21 |
jeff did we not have weather before we became civilized? who caused the mini-ice age during the so called "dark ages"? was the climate always perfectly temperate before we tapped into the earth's oil? Did we never have any weather extremes before Al Gore was born? Is this all new? did we never have a drought before the last century? Did it not ever get cold? and how does global warming cause it to be cold? |
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tlr because there was extreme weather before, therefore human actions do not have any affect on climate. is that your point? by that reasoning: being fat, sedentary, and eating junk food has no impact on heart disease because there have always been people who suffered from heart disease, smoking does not cause lung cancer because lung cancer existed before smoking, i am sure you can come up with lots more examples. the point is that your logic is faulty. the existence of previous weather changes has no relevance when determining if human actions can or are causing climate change. do you honestly believe that 600 million cars, numerous coal fired plants, and all the deforestation we are causing will have zero impact on the climate? does that seem reasonable to you? |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 09:14 |
jeff as usual you divert the topic, and make the accusation that my logic is faulty.........who are you to determine that my logic is faulty? I asked simple direct questions that you seem to refuse to answer. why is that? And yes I do not believe that man has as much control over the global climate as you would wish we did...........do we impact our local environments.......without doubt.......but the earth as a whole, no way!! The earth has always been subjected to extreme climate changes and the causes are many and have nothing to do with mankind.........we are more or less along for the ride.......... Do I need to remind you that according to the evolutionist theroies that the dinosaurs dominated the earth at a time when it was supposedly mostly tropical? I have already reminded you about the Ice Ages, who was to blame for that change? My thinking comes from the "GOD" is in control viewpoint. Your thinking is obviously derived from how great you think man is............we are less then a pimple on a gnats rear end when it comes to any effect on global climate change. why is it, when you do not like the questions that challenge your view point, it is automatically the other persons faulty logic that causes you not to answer a straight question with a straight answer? |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 09:27 |
btw, seeing as you brought it up Show me the science that PROVES that lung cancer is caused from smoking............ I believe that it has been stated that these things "may" cause heart disease, and "may" cause lung cancer............no where does it ever say that these things are conclusive. You walk down the middle of the road and you "may" get run over. |
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The beauty of the global warming argument If it gets too cold, it's because of global warming. If it gets too hot, it's because of global warming. It's the evil, industrialized west that's causing it of course... |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 09:52 |
thumper however, you did fail to mention that is only the "conservative christian" attitude that is destroying the planet and ruining it for everyone else.......the "libs" are the compassionate ones who have been placed here by evolution to save it, Al Gore is their Messiah. |
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leo_london 02-Jan-08, 10:54 |
Ah, but that's the point. There has, and always will be " abnormal " weather somewhere, so its of little use as an argument for global warming. For example, we had daffodils blooming in January last year. Suddenly the doom merchants seized on this as an example of global warming..this year we look likely to have one of the coldest January months for some considerable time. Its clearly not " evidence " of anything other than the vagaries of our weather. I grant you, there does exist more compelling evidence for the danger of " greenhouse gasses ".. the rising acidity of the world's oceans for instance. I think the very term " global warming " has confused the issue, there have been cycles of climatic change in the relatively near past..before the industrial revolution. I am not in denial, we do need to investigate the effect that man's so-called " progress " is having on this planet, but scare-mongering will do more harm than good. |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 11:30 |
leo I separate myself from your comment of "so-called" progress........just what does that phrase imply? At what point in the social evolution of mankind should progress have stopped? what are you willing to give up in YOUR life to reverse the effects of this "so-called" progress? And, do you believe that you have the right to tell me what to give up? I will never ever deny the fact that there is climate change around the globe. Only a complete fool would do that. History and geology tells us that the climate has always gone through changes; cycles and strange events have been commonly recorded though out history, both in writing, and in the "footprint" of the earth's surface and it's core. It is popular to attack anything, that has anything to do with growth, and progress. Those who benefit from these tactics, have to tear down all aspects of capitalism and freedom. This foolish scare-mongering about global warming is one of the best tactics yet. But, I believe the future will show these fools how foolish they really are. One constant in life is change........growth is what makes change happen: stop the growth, and you stop the social evolution of mankind............the dark ages testify to this fact. The earth is a living organism, we are made up of the same atoms and molecules, everything is from the same substance. The earth grows and changes under it's own patterns and cycles, as does the solar system and the universe beyond. I put my money on these latter things having a greater impact on the climate changes we experience then any "pimple on a gnats rear end" ever will. We have some effect on our surroundings that can not be denied, the earth, and all that lives on her has an effect of some sort..........to think that we have a greater effect then all these things is to place ourselves above all things, including GOD. And, to an athetist, that is imperative to tear down all aspects of the creator. Man did not create life and they can not ever destroy it..........plant a seed it will grow. One last thing, the very term "global warming" is meant to be alarming. The term is and should be "climate change" as all climates of the earth vary, and they change. Where once oceans are now deserts, and where there once was ice, there is now a fertile plain. |
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tlr god will make everything come out ok and we need do nothing but buy and consume (it is the capitalist way), drive and use oil (it is our god given prerogative), continue to pollute and reproduce and cut down the trees, dig up the ore, deplete our fishing grounds, pump out greenhouse gases, use up our aquifers, degrade our soil, and spread our waste everywhere. your imaginary friend will take care of everything for us. somehow, i am not reassured. |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 13:11 |
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Show me the science that PROVES that lung cancer is caused from smoking............ I believe that it has been stated that these things "may" cause heart disease, and "may" cause lung cancer............no where does it ever say that these things are conclusive. >> OMG TLR where have you been for the last 30 years????? |
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friend. Try the links below for a primer on what we've learned from science regarding health impacts of lifestyle: www.idrc.ca www.heartfoundation.org.au Oh and a heads up. Everything published on the internet is NOT true. look for stuff thats been peer reviewed and try to avoid stuff published by the tobacco industry as they have a demonstrated history of attempting to obscure the truth. |
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annual us deaths from: Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000 Alcohol 85,000 Microbial Agents 75,000 Toxic Agents 55,000 Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347 Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000 Suicide 30,622 Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000 Homicide 20,308 Sexual Behaviors 20,000 All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000 Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600 Marijuana 0 so it seems lmost 900,000 die each year in america due to tobacco, alcohol, and poor diet and sedentary lifestyle...compared to under 20,000 from all illegal drugs combined. good thing we have a war on drugs ; ) thank god marijuana is illegal... |
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oh www.cdc.gov |
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leo_london 02-Jan-08, 16:05 |
TLR..I used the term " so-called progress " simply because I'm not sure of the true definition of progress in human terms. We are probably healthier and live longer, we can certainly travel around a lot quicker, we have more knowledge of our planet and our place in the universal scheme of things etc etc..all that sort of stuff. But, are we more happy and contented than our forebears, do we respect each other to any greater extent, are we any more optimistic about our future or our children's future. Is progress just about greater knowledge of the world around us or should mankind be striving for greater inner knowledge. I look around the world at man's inhumanity to man in the 21st century and find little evidence of progress within us as human beings. |
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tlr why do you believe that all the toxins we put in our food, water, and environment will have no impact on our health? we may be a wart on a gnat's fundament, but a wart that can create toxic waste that lasts for millions of years, a nuclear bomb, and seems to not understand the limits to growth. i would not argue that these things i worry about are not proven. it seems, however, to be criminally reckless and a crime against future generations to not err on the side of caution, considering that this is the only planet we have. maybe there is no agw, maybe there is no need to worry about air pollution, water pollution and depletion, soil erosion, ozone depletion, fisheries collapse, bee die-offs, deforestation, and mass extinctions. maybe. but you seem so blithe in your 'there is no conclusive proof,' mantra. it just seems prudent to err on the side of saving our only planet. after all, we are not gambling our lives, but our children's children and their children's children. it is a moral imperative to plan for these future generations and our descendent's well-being should take precedence over ours. any species that forgets this is doomed. |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 16:23 |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 17:00 |
jeff how can you thank a 'god' that doesnot exsist? I had a cousin who just passed away from throat cancer that the doctors say was caused by smoking to much 'pot'.......so marijauna deaths at least 1............ also, I could make the argument that all deaths are releated to sexual behaviour as most people have had sex in there life...........do the 20,000 deaths you stated include the deaths by AIDS because I thought those numbers where in the millions? does the sexual behaviour death toll include the deaths of those that have been killed for their sexual preferences....... I could make the same arguments about any of the catergories if I wish as most people have been exposed to these things at some point in there life. as for the fecal question...........do you really think I am idiot jeff? Of course prolong exposure in my immediate environment in this case would cause illness that may or may not lead to death..............I question the sanity of anyone who even consider such a riduclous analogy however. I never once advocated irresponsibility in life...........death is an absolute......we all live and we all die............it is the cycle of all things.............so because I do not believe in scare-mongering or junk science I must automatically advocate dirty air, dirty water and irresponsible life styles...........and I am consider stupid and ignorant.........my logic is flawed........ well I say, anyone who shouts at the top of their voice there is no 'god' and then thanks him is somewhat flawed........... so I repeat death by living................100% |
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tlr you do promote irresponsibility when you say things like "And yes I do not believe that man has as much control over the global climate as you would wish we did...........do we impact our local environments.......without doubt.......but the earth as a whole, no way!!" if we do impact our local environment, than we also impact the global environment. by denying our ability to do serious and lasting damage to our environment, you give tacit approval to the world rapers. |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 18:34 |
and by what credentials are you able to make such claims? I live a very responsible lifestyle............I do not dump my toxic waste in the street, I do not spread fecal matter around my house, I responibly dispose of my waste.......all of it. |
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tlr please consider carefully. |
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theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 18:56 |
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