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rowdyrooks
22-Jan-08, 11:09

Warriors VS Rybka,,,,,,part #7
OK guys,time for a new thread !

Lets hope this game ends sometime this century ! ; )

Harry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
omacron2
22-Jan-08, 12:21

Rybka plays 23...Qd8
My thoughts tomorrowish.
tjbuege
22-Jan-08, 14:37

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b123
23-Jan-08, 04:45

Qd8
Why Qd8? Planning to play Qf6 to strenghten the diagonal? But our d4 pawn is good protected unless she can trigger our f3 knight away somehow... Or is she only planning to play Qb8?
What can we do to strenghten our position? I would like to trade rooks and maybe even queens. Her two bishops are less strong then our two knight in this pawn structure. What do you guys think?

O yeah, please post a message in the old treat first when a you start a new one. So I can change my "listening settings" to the new treat! thank you
omacron2
23-Jan-08, 05:59

As promised
Well lets talk about Qd8 an interesting move, do you not think, it took me quite a while to see what Rybka is up too. To my mind Qd8 sets up, in the short-term a threat of Qf6 which is to me a Red Herring, straight out of a Sherlock Holmesian fantasy, Rybka is preparing shortly to play h5 in response to h4 and then contest e5 and the centre ground. from we mere mortals.

Our next move is simplistic in its method, Kg2 playing a holding role while Rybka taunts us with his Rook on the a-file with Ra3 Ra8 and Ra2 waiting for the logical move to h4 [we all considered this move earlier, and rightly so, we must soon push the h-pawn on, although flank pawns, now quite common in contemporary play, are always seen as problematical in their nature], so below I set out my preferred line and then it is up to you.

24.Kg2 Ra3 25.Qc1 Ra8 26.Re1 Ra2 27.h4 h5 28.Nde5!? with an = position.

Let the battle for e5 begin.
rowdyrooks
24-Jan-08, 11:50

My belief !
,,,is that we already own a5 and therefore should exploit it. I propose 24. nde5,perhaps we can entice rybka into swapping knights (after,,,,,nxn 25. fxe5,,Qa8 26.Kg2,,Ra1 27.Rd2,,h6 28. Rd1,,Ra2 and this position still looks very solid for us.)

I truly believe that the Qd8 move played by rybka is a setup for ,,,Qa8 not Qf6.

That's my 2 cents,,,,,AGAIN , I'll be the pain in the rear end,,,lol

Harry,,,,,,,
rowdyrooks
24-Jan-08, 11:52

sorry ,,error
first line should read e5 not a5.,,,: )
hjemcall
26-Jan-08, 03:11

24. Kg2 looks best
Well, let's say Rybka is making a setup for both Qa8 and Qf6, but I don't think Rybka has much to gain from Qa8 and I wouldn't be too sure about enticing it into swapping things that quickly. It will only do so, if there is very good reason.

So I'd follow Bob's line, starting with 24. Kg2 and preparing a push of our h-pawn. It's the strategy we've had in mind for some time, and (as yet) I see no reason for a (sudden) change of plans.
tjbuege
27-Jan-08, 20:35

Kg2
I think this is our best next move. I'm also not so sure about swapping away our knights just yet. I agree that this position makes our knights better than bishops. Of course, if we can force a trade for Rybka's black bishop, that would be a good thing, as that is black's good bishop. Maybe one knight for the black bishop...but for now, lets play Kg2 and very soon after, h4. That's my vote.
b123
27-Jan-08, 23:11

Kg2
Okay, I just played Kg2. What will Rybka answer?
omacron2
29-Jan-08, 10:28

Rybka moves 24...Ra3
Also Rybka encloses the continuation he gave me from the last move. With the exception of whites last move Nde5!? So now we are at the horns of a dilemma, do we hit Rybka and exchange pieces or is there another way forward.

The game evaluation Rybka gives is (0.10 = Depth 18. [Up to this move Rybka is averaging Depth 14 per move].
hjemcall
31-Jan-08, 00:16

25. Qc1, I guess
We cannot have our knight at d3 pinned by the rook, so I think we must first chase the intruder away, as in Bob's favourite line previously: 25. Qc1. The question then is whether Rybka will withdraw the rook or perhaps play 25... Qa8, as Harry suggested. I don't think it will or can achieve much by that Queen move, but it's worth being prepared.
When the rook 's gone, we'll have to decide on a possible exchange at e5 or some other way to move forward, like h4. At this stage, I'm not quite sure.
rowdyrooks
31-Jan-08, 11:10

I agree
with hjemcall, that 25. Qc1 is our best move at this time,,,,as he has stated,taking away the pin and preparing against any sort of attack with blacks 25.....Qa8.

Harry........
hjemcall
04-Feb-08, 01:45

Anyone there?
It's a bit like Goethe wrote: "Über allen Gipfeln Ist Ruh...". So quiet here, again. C'mon guys, comments and contributions, please!
tjbuege
05-Feb-08, 21:40

Qc1
looks good to me.
b123
06-Feb-08, 01:55

Qc1
Okay, I submitted move Qc1.

Rybka replied with Ra8. This is the situation now:



Are we now planning to go for h4? What is the intention of h4? Can someone explain me that please? Are we then going for a complete pawn push at our king side?
hjemcall
06-Feb-08, 14:03

Considering 26. h4
A few moves ago Bob's "favourite line" went on 26. Re1 Ra2 27. h4 h5 28. Nde5. I think both h4 and Nde5 are (likely to be) part of our way forward, but I'm not sure about (the purpose of) 26. Re1: is it supposed to lure the black rook to a2? It is true that that may come in handy there, for example if at some point we can play Qb1 and threaten something about g6 or so, but can't black play something else as well?

Therefore (unless of course the purpose of 26. Re1 is clarified) I'd go for 26. h4 rightaway. To address Bart's question, the intention of this move is, in my opinion, to launch an attack on g6, or at least weaken it. If Rybka replies 26... h5, g6 is only defended by f7. If it doesn't, we can push h5 and attack g6 directly. Either way we seem to end up with a weakened g6, after which we can move in the knight (Nde5, and if that is exchanged Nfxe5), an extra piece next to Bc2 and (possibly) Qb1 to put pressure on g6.

Worth considering, I think.
rowdyrooks
08-Feb-08, 04:17

Nde5
My vote goes for Nde5, as for the same reasons I stated earlier.
It is my opinion that h4 is a good move but perhaps a little premature.

Harry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
searcoid
14-Feb-08, 14:18

Nde5
I'm also for Nde5. I'm concerned about Rybka's Bishop placements. Anything we can do to keep the diagonals shored up would be, I think, to our advantage.
b123
14-Feb-08, 23:54

Nde5
I'm not so sure of playing Ne5 yet. What if she plays f6?
In the original line Bob said 26.Re1 Ra2 27.h4 h5 28.Nde5!? with an = position.

But I must say i also don't see the intention of playing a move like Re1. The only thing it does is lining up our rook and queen...

What I would like to see happen, (but perhaps impossible) is a knight on d6. That would help us a lot in an endgame. But therefor we need to remove Rybka's black squared bishop and her knight.

Just some brainstorming...
omacron2
15-Feb-08, 07:15

Rybka
Let say Rybka will only play on the a file until we develop the kingside, if the aim is a tame draw so be it but we are supposed to be the Fighting Warriors not the Frightened Warriors, lets play a move as my grass has grown an inch since the last one.
tjbuege
15-Feb-08, 10:41

A possible reason for Re1?
With our rook on the first rank, it can swing over to g1 or h1 and support the impending pawn advance. Just a thought.
rowdyrooks
15-Feb-08, 16:32

SLOW GOING !!
This game has slowed to an irritably slow pace,,,,I though (from the start) that we agreed on a 48 hour move period,,,it would seem that only a few players are involved with this, and the pace is excruciating.

Is there any way we can speed this up ?????
tomasv
16-Feb-08, 03:33

I'd personally go with 26. g4
if we want to push the king side, I believe h4 isn't the best move, as 26. ... h5 stops the progress, and after 27. Nde5 Nf8 (27. ... Nxe5? <- rybka shouldn't part with the last knight, and 27. ... f6? weakens the g7 bishop's) there's nothing to push for. With 26. g4 Nf8 (or 26. ... h6) we can progress the intrusion of black's king side with g5 followed by Nde5 establishing our knight at the excellent output of e5
hjemcall
18-Feb-08, 23:31

Let's make up our minds
I'd like some more comments on 26. g4. I think it is worth considering, but I wouldn't rule out 26. h4 either. I'm convinced we should try and move on our kingside, and therefore I don't think 26. Nde5 (just now) is a good idea. Unless we opt for "a tame draw" or so ...?
qistnix
19-Feb-08, 11:31

I agree with the move 26.g4. We compromise our kingside somewhat, but if you want to win you have to take chances.
hjemcall
19-Feb-08, 12:50

Ok, let's go ahead then.
b123
19-Feb-08, 13:17

26. g4
okay, i submitted our next move g4. Let's wait what she will play!
b123
20-Feb-08, 10:53

26. g4 Ra2
And she plays Ra2. Pinning the bishop to our rook.
I guess Re1 is our best option here.

tomasv
20-Feb-08, 11:43

27. g5
I believe we need to continue the king-side push with 27. g5, 28. Nde5 and 29. Re3

I don't know what to think of Rybka's last move (is it one of the computer moves a human would never make?) if "she" wants to waste moves playing with that rook on the a-file, let her have it... 27. Re1 would, I believe, be waste of time, there is really no (potential) threat from the rook on a2 and the bishop can free itself from the pin by going to d1 or even d3 (after we have played Nde5) and I actually kinda like it on c2, from where it covers a lot of white squares...
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