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mozz 24-Jul-08, 21:08	First reference to Christ in the Bible? Genesis 22:7-8 "7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together." (KJV) Genesis 22:13 "And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. " (KJV) I think the lamb he was referring to was Christ as it was a ram that was actually provided for the sacrifice.
walkingman 25-Jul-08, 17:46	The Ram certainly represents Christ as does Isaac. The earliest reference however to Christ I think, would have to be taken from the following passage. Genesis 3 "15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and HER SEED (Christ the one born of a woman); it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Perhaps even older than that from a date of writing POV, would be the prophetic references to Christ in the book of Job, which writing may well have predated the writing of the Pentateuch (the books of Moses). Job 19:25 "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:" Job 9:33 Neither is there any DAYSMAN (a mediator between God and man) betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Just my $.02 Blessings in Christ Paul
mozz 30-Jul-08, 17:25	Thanks Big Paul, I'm not sure about the Genesis reference. When referring to Eve's seed I thought it was referring to man in general, not necessarily to Christ. I'll have to do a bit more research. BUT... I think I've found the earliest   Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (KJV) In the original Hebrew the word Eloheim (not sure on the exact spelling) is used. This refers to plurality as El is God singular. So you could say that the trinity was referenced right from the start.
walkingman 31-Jul-08, 03:20	Ah yes! Well done brother. Blessings Paul
vanir 02-Aug-08, 17:07	Yes, I agree. But I do agree with mozz about the Genesis chapter, and though the passage in Job might ver well be talking about Christ, wouldn't genesis, which is the story of creation come first?
walkingman 02-Aug-08, 19:06	Cronologically yes, but........ Genesis wasn't written until the time of Moses, who writes under the influence and direction of the Holy Spirit about events which took place during the creation week (about 4000 years BC). That actual date of writing of the Genesis account would be roughly 1500BC, (about the time of the Exodus), some 2500+ years after the events described in Genesis chapter 1. The book of Job is thought to be dating back to at least the time of Abraham (2000BC) perhaps, or maybe even older. It all depends on how you want to reckon "first". First in "order of occurrence", or first in "order of writing". Genesis is first in "order of occurrence" Job is first in "order of writing". (or so it is presumed) Blessings in Christ Paul
vanir 03-Aug-08, 07:43	Right... But the story of Genesis still happened before Job's time. Moses may have written it down after that, but the fact is, he still wrote down exactly what happened during that time and age. Genesis MIGHT have been written before Job, but that doesn't change the fact that the Genesis passages still happened before Job's time.
honorofkings 03-Aug-08, 16:20	First occurrence Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
walkingman 03-Aug-08, 16:45	Maybe even before that. Proverbs 8 " 22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, BEFORE his works of old. 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25BEFORE the mountains were settled, BEFORE the hills was I brought forth: 26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: " Blessings BP
antinephilehi 04-Aug-08, 02:03	when was that? Somewhere in one of the letters it says that Jesus was chosen/called before the foundation of this world. I will try to find the passage.(unless bigpaul beats me to it).
walkingman 04-Aug-08, 02:31	1st Peter 1:20 might be what you're looking for. " 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," Blessings Paul

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