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andywm 19-Dec-10, 18:47	Good Read Doji Yes, I was away for 4 days and time was limited to check in....the club made a good move and we have regained our breath in this match
doji 20-Dec-10, 12:15	Deleted by doji on 02-Jan-11, 02:06.
kendo-ka 20-Dec-10, 12:37	Move 23 I vote for Rc8
doji 20-Dec-10, 14:19	kendo-ka 23. Rac8 or 23. Rdc8?
andywm 20-Dec-10, 16:00	Rook must move Rd to c8 is my recomm
dmaestro 20-Dec-10, 21:37	Rd-c8 seems best, but holding that isolani is problematic.
caknight 20-Dec-10, 21:50	23...Rdc8 On move 22 my suggestion was Rfc8 to avoid the loss of tempo. White is giving the tempo back with Bg5 instead of Rd3.
sacul219 21-Dec-10, 01:11	Move 23. I know this may seem strange to most people, but I was just wondering what people's thoughts (advatanges and disadvantages) of 23. Rd7. Even if 24. Ba4, then Rc7, which also then sets up for the double rooks with 25 Rac8. Also, Im thinking that the reason Bg5, even though it was suggested it gives loss of tempo, Bg5, sets up a possible Bf6 for black, posing a potential greater threat on the g pawn.. Anyway, im no expert, hope that makes sense, and go club !
kendo-ka 21-Dec-10, 04:13	Move 23 Sorry I forgot to add which rook I meant. I want to play Rdc8. Instead of doubling up the rooks depending on whites next move I'd be more interested in playing 24...a5. If white does play Bf6 then we can play Bg6. I'd prefer to move the bishop instead of moving the g - pawn to g6 which can expose the king to attack.
opengames 21-Dec-10, 16:37	23...Rd7 We just moved the Rook from f8 to d8; if we wanted it on c8 we should have moved it there in 1 turn, not 2. So, I say 23...Rd7.
hityerclock 21-Dec-10, 16:45	23...Rd7 I like the rook on the d-file, since it makes Bxc4 a tough choice for white, though there's nothing wrong with 23...Rc8. White hasn't really gained a tempo as his Bg5 move doesn't help him - he's gong to have to move that B again.
sacul219 21-Dec-10, 17:39	I agree with Kendo-ka about not exposing the g pawn, and in that regard 24. a5 does seem a smart move. But I dont think moving Rdc8 after we maybe should have on Move 23, wil, really do anything. Rd7, does make the decision tougher for white, and gives him more to think about. Like has been said, he has had a chance to really take control of the tempo, but hasnt really done so
andywm 21-Dec-10, 18:00	Even though we didn't move the R to c8 at the time which I did suggest, now is the time to do it...no time for procrastination
dmaestro 21-Dec-10, 21:03	23...Rd7 trying to defend the d pawn after Rd3 was one of the reasons I preferred Rfd8. After 24 Rd3, White could play 25 g4 and then 26 Rf-d1. The mobile K side majority is starting to be a real threat then. I am not clear how Rc8 is going to give us more counterplay.
caknight 21-Dec-10, 22:45	Move 23... After 23...Rd7 24.Rd3 (pinning the weak e5 pawn & leaving the knight in danger) b5 25.a4 a6 After 23...Rdc8 24.Rd3 (attacking the weak e5 pawn) Nb6 25.Bxd5 Nxd5 26.Qxd5 Qxd5 27.Rxd5 Rxc2 puts the game at about even.
sacul219 21-Dec-10, 23:01	Each move has pros and cons, but also dependent on the oppositions moves. One thing I've always tried to focus on (and yes it's a basic principle most people know) but I wanna say it anyway, and that is the fact of forcing the opponent into a move where essentially, you have made the decision for them. If you look at the lines from Rc8, while definitely not the worst option, I think it gives white alot more choice than Rd7
doji 25-Dec-10, 09:58	The votes: 2 votes for 23... Rdc8 (andywm, caknight) 3 votes for 23... Rd7 (sacul219, opengames,hityerclock) 1 vote for 23... Rdc8 (kendo-ka) dmaestro, your choice isn't clear to me, can you clarify? Thanks!! And for all, a merry Christmas!!
dmaestro 25-Dec-10, 22:26	Rd7 All in all, that move seems to me in practical terms to offers more chances for activity.
andywm 26-Dec-10, 05:55	Doji please clarify since you have kendo's move the same as mine and caknight so it appears to be a tie with 3 votes each...are you going to cast a vote to break the tiebreaker?
wildfiree 26-Dec-10, 06:17	andy dmaestro said he voted for Rd7 so I guess Rd7 now had 4 votes and will be the posted move
doji 26-Dec-10, 11:42	sonata296 and andywm andywm: sorry for the confusion, you are right, kendo-ka's move is the same as yours and caknight's. sonata296: you are also right, dmaestro votes for 23... Rd7 and gets 4 votes, so that will be the move!
doji 02-Jan-11, 02:06	Deleted by doji on 10-Jan-11, 00:19.
sacul219 02-Jan-11, 02:56	Rc7, I suggest to then go with 24. a3
sacul219 02-Jan-11, 02:56	Ka3, apologies
caknight 02-Jan-11, 12:59	24...Rc7 24...Rc7 or b5 to support the knight.
hityerclock 02-Jan-11, 15:28	25...Bg6 White's immediate threat is 25.Bf6. They can play this now because having played 24.f4, white can answer 25...Bg6 (not 25... g6? 26.Rd3 intending 27.g4, and white will win) with 26.f5! Qxf5 27.Bxg7. We don't want any part of that. In light if this, 25.. Bg6 is forced.
opengames 02-Jan-11, 16:58	One of 2 moves... Either 25...Bg6 or 25...b5.
opengames 02-Jan-11, 17:02	Continuation If 25...b5; 26.Bf6, Bg6. If then 27.f5, Qxf5, etc. (Maybe followed by 28.Rf1). Am I missing something?
caknight 02-Jan-11, 17:57	White's immediate threat is 25.Bf6? I don't see 25.Bf6 as that big of a threat, after 25...Bg6 26.f5 Qxf5 27.Bxg7?? Kxg7 28.e6+ Qf6. After 26.Qf2 gxf6 27.f5 Qc6 28.fxg6 hxg6 29.exf6.
andywm 02-Jan-11, 19:27	Bg6 first, it stops their f pawn from threatening our Q while it also attacks his c2 pawn if they attack our Kn.
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