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I was wondering, what happened to 4boys. I heard that something happened in her family. Do we know when she's coming back?
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No i don't sorry
No I don't sorry, and while she is away this club is somewhat in limbo, but I will do my best to look after it!
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ladylinda
18-Jul-13, 13:12
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really weird challenge on board now
Team: Wilsons
Players:
1218 - lastav 1452 (90 day high) captain
1202 - sayv 1495 (90 day high) co-captain
Now I am just reporting what I see there.
lastav lost 28 games in a row on June 29th, rating dropped from 1436 at the beginning of that day to 1200 (the rating floor). Games were 3-7 moves and ended in resignation. Since the 29th there are several more games like that keeping the rating down.
sayv lost 34 games in a row (except for one tournament game win) starting June 30th through July 9th, rating dropped from 1495 at the beginning to 1200 (the rating floor on July 3rd after 28 games so the last 6 on the 9th didn't lower the rating any more). Since the 9th there are several more games like this keeping the rating down. He seems to drop his queen a lot and then resign.
Do what you want with the information. I don't believe I am slandering anyone, but just reporting the results of what I found in the ratings and the game history after considering this challenge on the board. Maybe they were just having a bad day. But I wouldn't put my 1200 rated player against them on a good day.
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Many thanks
Many thanks. Telling the truth about anything is never slander. I would suggest you share this information with Gameknot directly, it does look very fishy to me.
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ladylinda
18-Jul-13, 14:03
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When I looked at the game history, I recognized one of my team members, who was on the winning side for 3 games, and blessed with 36 rating points he didn't earn. He now has an artificially high 90 day rating because he obviously lost a lot of games to get back to his actual rating. I probably paired him too high because I thought he was improving. So is this going to stick with him until September?
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I wouldn't worry too much
I wouldn't worry too much, 36 points is not that much, and it will soon correct itself as more results keep coming in
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its interesting that lastav threw 18 games against hurricanerob3 . hows his free points going. atleast 150 points for doing sh**! 1 team i'll be steering clear of, thats for sure
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One way I check for rating manipulation with team members is to check their Team game rating, which is on their profile page! this is usually anything up 200 points lower than normal rating and when it is 200 points higher like lastav 's is almost, there is definitely something wrong!! I usually try to match players by team game rating and if this is not possible decline the challenge.
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These players really should be reported
These players really should be reported. Would you mind forwarding your findings to Gameknot please?
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ladylinda
18-Jul-13, 23:13
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already reported
I did that hours ago, right after posting this (after I thought about it for a bit).
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I recommend you refrain from accusing players of cheating in the open forum. gameknot admin may disagree with your interpretation and take action against you instead.
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@ dynamic_dv - I often look at the captain's team rating/score. there are a number of captains with outstanding Team Game results compared with very ordinary All Game results. I do not play against those teams.
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I actually do not suspect lastav or sayv of cheating because I played against them, and they did extremely well. In fact, I had a very good loss against these players.
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In addition, either sayv or lastav has had some very good chess puzzles, and I think I saw an annotation from lastav. So, I do not think that any of those players are trying to manipulate their rating. I think that they are just having bad days. Who knows? Maybe they got sick, had stress, dealt with a bad storm. I know all of this and am way too familiar with this from experience. For instance, at one point like a year or two ago, my rating was 1021. But, I got hammered with an extremely bad cold and felt sick. This caused me to play badly in several games, and so my rating plummeted by 104 points, so it went down to 917, in one to two weeks, I believe. Then, I got over it, and after about a month or two, I went right back up to over 1000. At the time, I was not manipulating my rating or even suspected of doing so. I simply wasn't at my optimal best. So, overall, I think I know what these players might be going through.
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baddeeds
19-Jul-13, 07:16
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Deleted by baddeeds on 19-Jul-13, 07:17.
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A perfect example was Tropical Storm Irene, which was forecasted to become a Hurricane. This happened like two or three years ago. Diromg the coaching, my rating was barely above 900. To make a long story short, I did not like this coach at all because he basically said that I could not improve my chess games which is why I got training. Well, to make a long story short, right after the training session my rating drastically dropped, until it hit the lowest of 851. That's a little unusual for me generally speaking after coaching games, my rating usually increases. If, however, it drops, it's only be a slight amount, we're talking about something like 20 points. And, if significant, it happens over a long period of time due to things like cold or stress. However, this was very different because my worst fear became a reality. But, it, thankgoodness, did not last, as long as it did. When the storm hit, I lost power for about three days. Once it came back on, and there was nothing worry, I just kept my head in the game and told myself that I had the potential to improve, which is how my rating hit over 1000, at the time.
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Then, as some of you remember, the Northeast got hit by a freaky October snowstorm. Once again, I was really worried about power outages, and caused me to play bad enough that my rating dropped about 70 points. So, at least it was not as much, and I was then beginning to figure out ways on how to handle the, "Fight or Flight" syndrome when it comes to storms. It's obvious that I was not focusing on my games, but rather the storms.
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During that period, we did not lose power but the cable was out for just as long as with Irene. And, after that, Guess what? That's right, the same region got hit with Super Storm Sandy, as charleshiggie mentioned in a different thread which was about a year later. That was far worse then Tropical Storm Irene, or the unusally early blizzard which dumped over a foot. This time, however, power was out for 8 days, and the cable was out for 14 days. Not only that but there was also a fire at the bottom of my street, and my neighbors car got crushed by falling trees. Thankgoodness that I did not get hurt. And, it's also a miracle that no one in my immediate family or neighbor got injured. I was concerned about safety and timing out on games, which thankgoodness, I did not lose any games by default. However, things were different then usual because, unlike before, I did not get as nervous, so my performance was way better in my games. Believe it or not, I won about 3-5 games prior to this hurricane. In addition, my rating dropped by only 30 points, as opposed to, 60 or 70. That itself shows a significant improvement because I used to be lucky if I even pulled one win before a storm which was not nearly, as bad as, this. However, I learned a very important lesson. Don't get nervous and play chess like it's a normal day, even if you are about to get hit with a storm that could potentially become life threatening.
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BTW
All of that is shown in the annotation below. gameknot.com
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ladylinda
19-Jul-13, 13:01
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@chilliman
I did not accuse them of cheating. This was an open challenge on the team board, which is the only reason I looked at the game history. What I found was unusual, so I reported the facts of that history and ratings. I do find it unusual that someone would play and lose about 30 consecutive games in one day or over a few days, all in 3-7 moves, many with the same person, and many of the games have the same repetition. It is what happened and I didn't call it anything. I did send the information on to GameKnot because it is up to them to decide if it is a problem or not. I am not recommending any course of action as captains. It certainly doesn't mean that other players on the team have similar history. I didn't look. You can't make that generalization. I spend a lot of time looking for fair matches for my team. I don't really care about the ladder or the team rating. We will be up and down the ladder because where the team is on the ladder is not important when I consider a match. However, I will not put my 1200 rated player against a 1500 rated player who just lowered their rating to 1200 in a very short period of time by losing ~30 games in a row that were either not played out or the queen was moved so it could be taken (once someone could actually make that mistake by slipping with the mouse, but I don't think even an 800 rated player would do that several games in a row).
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I don't think you have done anything wrong
I don't think you have done anything wrong Ladylinda, and I congratulate you on your care and attention.
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hi ladylinda, I don't know why you think I was referring directly at you, I wasn't
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ladylinda
20-Jul-13, 00:04
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chilliman,
good to know that you weren't talking to me... I thought you were referring to me because your statement followed mine, and I was the one that posted the original information
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@chilliman
How would GK act against you, if you were wrong. I just thought that nothing would happen to the accused, and that GK just would not be interested in the accusations.
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response to jkarp
if you name someone in the open forum and accuse them of cheating, gk will take action but not necessarily against the named player.
I have raised the name of several players to admin as suspected cheats (based on deliberately timing out in multiple games even though the players were logging onto gk the whole time) and the response has always been the same - it is very difficult to prove and as such no action was taken (as far as I know).
by naming names in public you may find yourself on the wrong side of admin. you can't go around publically 'outing' cheats as it is against the spirit of what we are about here. I think the Community Standards, rules 1 + 2 cover it.
feel free to disagree - that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.
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ladylinda
20-Jul-13, 22:17
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There is a difference in saying someone is deliberately timing out. That involves motive. You just can't prove that. I am online a lot, but not necessarily on GK, but I might have left a tab open. It would then appear I am online when I am not.
I was reporting recorded game history. Those are facts of what happened. I don't see how anyone can be a fault for reporting, even by name, game history that is available for public view. In this case a player is losing 30 games in a very short period of time with multiple games moving the queen en pris. I think there was 10 games with one player and 13 with another player, doing this repeatedly. I don't think this type of play is in the spirit of team play that we want to encourage.
Also, this is not a public forum. It is a club. We are captains and co-captains, whom I believe are trying to have great teams and make good, fair matches for our members. So, I think discussing players, especially ones that have game histories that make for bad matches, should be discussed here, as one of our topics. Ultimately, the topics are up to the moderator of this club.
These clubs are set up for any discussion purposes, even politics or religion, if that is what the club was formed to discuss. This is different than the public forums.
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I'm not here to argue with anybody, there is no need to respond like I'm having a go at you, on the contrary, I am urging caution.
all gameknot members can read what is written here, not just club members.
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ladylinda
21-Jul-13, 02:04
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@ chilliman, I am not trying to argue and my response was not directed at you. I guess I am trying to clarify things in general. I was trying to discuss the topics of making judgements based on timeouts vs. game play. I was also talking about what I thought we could use this forum for.
@anyone, I am disappointed to discover (just now by having my husband try) that this forum is not private. Anyone can read it, as chilliman said, but only members can post. I thought this was a private forum for captains and co-captains. The clubs can be made private, and this one should be.
@charleshiggie, can you make this club private?
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I don't think I can sorry
I don't think that I can make this a private forum - unless anyone knows any better?
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