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ironbutterfly 17-Mar-15, 10:03	rationale for moving rooks After the position is relatively settled (I am castled and basically developed), I'm often unsure which rook to move first. I've seen several rationales: move the rook that has the most spaces available; move the king's rook first; etc. I know the answer is very position dependent, but is there any general rule/principle that I should think about in that situation?
pennsylvaniadan 17-Mar-15, 13:03	Move the rook that gives you the best chance to win the game---lol
brigadecommander 17-Mar-15, 15:23	i recently posted this in another club about Rooks; ''In my opinion the deployment of the Rooks has a profound impact on the course of the game. "Renown awaits the commander who first restores artillery to its prime importance on the battlefield." - Sir Winston Churchill. The only good Rook is a working Rook! - Samuel Reshevsky Even the best grandmasters in the world have had to work hard to acquire the technique of rook endings. - Paul Keres The preparation for active rook play entails what is called the opening of lines, which largely depends on pawn play, especially on the proper use of levers. - Hans Kmoch Like mortars in old war films, they are often ready to destroy the opponent's unsupported defences. - Alexei Suetin The retreat of a minor piece to the back rank, where it cuts the lines of communication between the rooks, is permissible only in exceptional cases. - Alexander Alekhine There is much to be said about all the pieces. The Knights and Bishops,the Pawns and Queens.Even the King can suddenly become very powerful. So i would ask the players in this Club to write down their impressions about our Game.
ironbutterfly 17-Mar-15, 16:50	rooks Thanks, bc. Here's another thought: "when in doubt [about which rook to move] play the 'a' rook to d1." (Larry Christiansen) and some simple practical advice I learned a long time ago: put your rooks on open and half-open files, and behind passed pawns.
shamash 17-Mar-15, 17:14	it's not only which -- but when Euwe in his Middlegame treatise explains the importance of controlling the file before you move your rook onto it. His concept dovetails neatly with Botvinnik's point that the value of a deployed piece is a function of its target and of your control of its trajectory in reaching that target. (And that's what gives this approach value in seeking a material -- or a positional -- advantage.)
ironbutterfly 17-Mar-15, 17:17	rooks Thanks, shamash. I need to think more about the target and trajectory theme.
the-sigularity 17-Mar-15, 21:46	The rooks a valuable and should be connected whenever possible. But since rooks are of 5 points value, two are ten points and the queen is 9 points, then is it advisable to trade a queen for two rooks?
shamash 17-Mar-15, 22:29	@Julio: it's the functional value of the piece, not its "point value" IF you can show me how to win with points instead of with deployed pieces and a winning position, then please show me.
brigadecommander 18-Mar-15, 05:43	speaking of Pawns If the pieces you have, are working together then it does not matter much how many points you are behind. So lets hear what the Masters say about Pawns; ''The passed Pawn is a criminal, who should be kept under lock and key. Mild measures, such as police surveillance are not sufficient. - Aaron Nimzowitsch ''No pawn exchanges, no file-opening, no attack''. - Aaron Nimzowitsch. ''The placing of the center pawns determines the 'topography' of a game of chess. - Alexander Kotov ''Pawns not only create the sketch for the whole painting, they are also the soil, the foundation, of any position''. - Anatoly Karpov. ''Pawn endings are to chess what putting is to golf''. - Cecil Purdy. ''Two passed pawns on the sixth beat everything, up to a royal flush''. - Ian Rogers. ''The winning of a pawn among good players of even strength often means the winning of the game.'' - Jose Capablanca. ''The most important feature of the Chess position is the activity of the pieces. This is absolutely fundamental in all phases of the game: Opening, Middlegame and especially Endgame. The primary constraint on a piece's activity is the pawn structure.'' - Michael Stean. ''The older I grow, the more I value pawns''. - Paul Keres. ''The essential disadvantage of the isolated pawn ... lies not in the pawn itself, but in the square in front of the pawn.'' - Richard Reti ''I'd rather have a Pawn than a finger.'' - Rueben Fine ''White has no positional equivalent for the centralized pawn.'' - Siegbert Tarrasch. So the moral of the story is??
the-sigularity 18-Mar-15, 11:52	shamash I can understand that the position of the rooks is more important if the position of the queen is less important, I suppose I should ask the question in a different way. If you were to start a game and had the option of having two rooks and no queen, and your opponent would have the queen and no rooks, who would have the advantage in such a case? If the question bothers you, you do not have to answer.
shamash 18-Mar-15, 13:50	@Julio, since you ask: My play is facile with either option, so what I would do is to look over my opponent's past games, and see if he tends to be dependent on his Queen or on his rooks, and then make my choice accordingly. Since my own play tends to playing closed positions, there is usually little role anyway for my rooks or Queen till late in the middlegame. I know that if I am looking for an outright mating attack, then if I still have a knight or a bishop, I would favor the Queen. However, if I am looking to make positional inroads with an invasion via an open file into the seventh rank, then for that positional attack I would favor the dual-power of two rooks. But back to your question: if it's the start of the game, then I would prefer the Queen for its radiation of central control during the opening pawn moves and occupation of the center.
the-sigularity 18-Mar-15, 19:37	Thank you And the reason I ask, is because sometimes I have come across the situation of gaining two rooks for a queen, so with your answer, I believe I will favor the queen.

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