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efc8 26-Oct-12, 17:36	New vote game Stealth Invader, Take your time, going too fast for me. For white to play 5 Nxf7, He would have to play Ng5 first. This where 4 0-0......d6 prevents Ng5 and at the same time defends e4 along with Nc6.
the-sigularity 26-Oct-12, 19:31	efc8 you are right The computer would not allow such a move at this time, but although I can see where d6 opens the c8-h3 diagonal for the B. I cannot see why e4 needs more support at this time, or how it prevents Ng5. Could you please show the moves separately so I can get a better understanding of that analysis?
hogfysshe 26-Oct-12, 19:51	prevents Ng5... is easy. where 4. ...Nf6 blocks the queen, 4. ...d6 does not and the knight could be captured. by "e4," I assume "e5" is meant. yes, probably not critical to add additional support. BUT the knight on c6 WOULD then be free to move (not that that justifies the move, though all things considered I still think it is more or less as good as 4. ...Nf6, ).
efc8 26-Oct-12, 19:53	New vote game 4 0-0.........d6 5 Ng5........Qxg5
efc8 26-Oct-12, 20:00	New vote game Correction: e5 instead of e4
the-sigularity 26-Oct-12, 20:39	OK That was the reason I wrote e4, because you wrote d6 defends e4. (I see the correction you made.) But I still cannot see where e5 needs to be defended at this time. Also, of course he would not give us the N for free at g5. I do not believe we should consider moving the Q out early. If we wait for the d pawn to move later, we may be able to move it to d5 after 4....Nf6 and 5.d3....0-0, but of course we need to study the moves he makes to attack before moving to a precarious situation.
efc8 27-Oct-12, 03:40	New vote game Maybe I should have said controlling the e5 square
the-sigularity 27-Oct-12, 12:16	Lets continue We all make mistakes, I probably make more than anyone. Let's put that behind, and concentrate on the task in hand. I respect your ability and if you believe d6 is the best move, then maybe that's what we should do but let's wait and see what other input other members may have. I feel confident we will arrive at the best solution by pooling our ideas, and also, I do not foresee any drastic disaster in making the move you suggest. (d6) However, I hope we all agree, that the pawns, once moved cannot be moved back, therefore we should take special care before making such a move.
bigpeta 28-Oct-12, 06:28	votes thus far i have the following definite votes Nf6 stealth-invader michael350 d6 joe ecf8 friar so can those in the discussion who are not listed here please enter a definite vote for Nf6 or d6 then i will play the move with most votes.
hogfysshe 28-Oct-12, 06:51	even though... I think 4. ...d6 is fine, I'll vote for 4. ...Nf6. Pete, in saying "...maybe that's what we should do but let's wait..." (final post on 27 Oct), stealth-invader may have withdrawn his earlier vote. If it is 3-3 and you don't want to break the tie yourself, make mine a half-vote for each and 4. ...d6 wins.
the-sigularity 28-Oct-12, 10:05	Clarification I said "...maybe that's what we should do but let's wait..." I am flexible on this issue, but do not withdraw my vote for 4.....Nf6. The reasons I will go along with 4.......d6, are: 1. efc8 has made a good point when he indicated the Q will not allow 5.Ng5 (although that is not an impending threat in my opinion) 2. I don't believe 4......d6 is a fatal move 3. I want to incite other club members to participate. 4. I earnestly wish we could continue the game and not procrastinate to the point of frustration. With these I statements making my stance absolutely clear, I will desist until the next move.
joejoe_65324 28-Oct-12, 11:34	i go with d6 to let the bishop than Nf6 depends what the oppenent goona move.
efc8 28-Oct-12, 14:47	New vote game The only thing that I don't like about Nf6 is, black can lose castling rights
bigpeta 28-Oct-12, 15:54	@efc8 how does Nf6 stop black castling??
efc8 28-Oct-12, 17:28	New vote game If white sac the Bishop
bigpeta 29-Oct-12, 02:26	sac the B to prevent castling is a beginners move. you wont get that from a 2000+ player
efc8 29-Oct-12, 02:35	New vote game Thanks Pete, I have to start thinking differently.
joejoe_65324 29-Oct-12, 10:56	can i change my vote? instead of moving the d6 pawn why not move pawn to h6 to prevent the knight to g5. wont that be a bit better than moving to d6? cause i was thinking if we move to d6 to let the bishop out than he might move the knight to g5 than you move the bishop to e6 i think than you be a pawn short. if im wrong please feel free to tell me.
bigpeta 29-Oct-12, 13:26	@joejoe see my earlier post about h6 not being a good development move at this point
bigpeta 31-Oct-12, 08:16	moving Nf6 it was close (in fact a dead heat) so i used my casting vote for what is in fact the best move Nf6 good discussion guys so keep up the good work
the-sigularity 31-Oct-12, 11:11	Thank you Thank you Pete, would you please show the board after ion makes his next move?
bigpeta 01-Nov-12, 04:33	@julio please slow down and have a little patience my friend
the-sigularity 01-Nov-12, 08:21	Pete The reason I made a humble request is because I have to change screens for the analytical process, and I want to keep my errors to a minimum. However, I realize I am somewhat impetuous, and for that, I apologize. I now realize I may have placed a burden on you and again, I am sorry. .
bigpeta 02-Nov-12, 06:21	move 5 Board Position Latest moves 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d4 what do you think of d4 from white? - good or bad? if its bad how can we take advantage? if its good what do we do to neutralise it?
twick 02-Nov-12, 06:33	White's D4 As we have 3 pieces attacking against only 2 defending D4, looks like odds are in our favour to take control of centre ?
the-sigularity 02-Nov-12, 10:46	W5.d4 White 5.d4 is a bad move? We can neutralize by: 5.d4.........ed if: 6.e6........N-g4
joejoe_65324 02-Nov-12, 10:52	pawn takes d4? than we be ahead i think.
the-sigularity 02-Nov-12, 11:37	Yes 5......exd4 is my vote 5........ed is equal to pawn takes d4
fr1ar 02-Nov-12, 11:56	Bxd4 well again I'm going a with a different move. I don't think 5.d4 was a bad move or a mistake. I think it was played hoping for 5. ...exd4 and giving white the potential of control over the e-file, weakening the Kingside pawn force and giving Black doubled pawns on the d file with 2 minor pieces to be moved before the pawns can be together again. I would vote for Bxd4
bigpeta 02-Nov-12, 12:01	good posts well done twick for identifying why d4 was bad for white. well done friar for pointing out the weakness of replying exd4. keep up the good analysis guys
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