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CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 5k2/pB2pppp/2p5/3p3r/1P3b2/P1N2P1b/2P1RP2/4R1K1 b - -

Added by:bobbob78
Added on:09-Apr-09
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chess puzzle 5k2/pB2pppp/2p5/3p3r/1P3b2/P1N2P1b/2P1RP2/4R1K1 b - -
Attempts:1553
Solved:1265 (81%)
Black to move, mate in 5
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fezzik
02-Jun-15, 01:03

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Gameknot gets back on track
After a couple days of really hard "easy" puzzles, the site may be back on track. I don't mind difficult puzzles, but having 21% solve rates for an "easy" puzzle is just false advertising!

This was nice and simple. And useful.
jett22
02-Jun-15, 03:39

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Straight forward
Knowing that a checkmate was possible, the solution presented itself with not too much thought. Would have I seen this in a game? Not likely. Good puzzle.
chicagodutch
02-Jun-15, 05:39

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Bishop on F8?
Not important for a puzzle, but initially there is a Black Bishop on F8.
How did the bishop leave the square F8 ?
hypersyne
02-Jun-15, 06:05

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@chicagodutch
Very observant!

The answer to your question: miracles.

I don't see how else the bishop slipped past the pawns on g7 & e7...
donnaclara
02-Jun-15, 06:08

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Bf8
@chicagodutch
It was captured by a white piece and later resurrected by black b-pawn promoting.
I would agree that putting Pg7->g6 or Pe7->e6 would be nicer and still preserve the solution w/o promoted pieces.
phonybenoni
02-Jun-15, 06:31

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Black is missing a pawn, so a promotion is conceivable. But the whole question is more a distraction than anything else.

This is probably closest to one star difficulty-wise, but I dislike giving just one to any five-mover besides Smothered Mate.
genelee
02-Jun-15, 07:45

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Puzzles are not games
To foresee or recognize this solution in a real game would be difficult and possibly a 5 star; however, know in advance that there is a mate in five moves this to a one star or possibly a one/half star. My grandson, age 8, who is rated as 887 on GameKnot figured this puzzle in less than a minute. Knowing in advance make things much easier.

The real puzzle here is revealed by 'chicagodutch': "How did the bishop leave the square F8?"

Thanks to 'donnaclara' for that answer!
fezzik
02-Jun-15, 08:28

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Easy
If you think this would be difficult to find in a real game then perhaps you need to review how you come up with candidate moves. This isn't being mean, many players never learned how to select candidate moves.

John Nunn has an easy mnemonic device: AAFMF always analyse forcing moves first. The most forcing moves are checks, the second most are ones that threaten mate in one. This puzzle would be easy to solve in a real game situation with plenty of time because of AAFMF.
chrisschneider
02-Jun-15, 08:48

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The title kind of gave away the solution. I think that's why I was able to solve it.
morphman
02-Jun-15, 09:45

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Good instructive example - 1 Star
I agree with fezzik, but I would also look at it from another point of view. Is there a mating position that I can work towards ... when you ask that question, the position with Rook on h1 and the bishop on f3 literally leaps off the board ... so it becomes a simple exercise in how do I get there with as many forcing moves as possible ... This puzzle is chess 101.
rook2d2
02-Jun-15, 11:00

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Strategy vs tactics
Once the bishop gets to f3 ,the kings not escaping,mating puzzles are fun to solve even the easy ones.Strategy is important in chess ,one example being isolated or backward pawns being blocked by knights,but I think it is important to remember that games are won and lost on tactics,but still we need the position to carry them out.The point I am trying to put forward here is that if the brain becomes too strategic thinking,I feel tactics can become hard to find because they are not being looked for,use it or lose it so to speak .That's why doing puzzles is fun and important when the mating configuration or combination goes on on long term memory so we chance to find it as long as we give yourself the time to assess the position to the beast of our ability.
iron_flower
02-Jun-15, 13:23

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I hate these impossible positions!
divinityinfinity
02-Jun-15, 13:59

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macheide
02-Jun-15, 18:42

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I don't see the impossibility of this position. It's a good tactical exercise . Thanks.
phonybenoni
02-Jun-15, 19:15

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It seems impossible because the Black bishop on f4 could never have left its original square on f8, since neither Black's g-pawn or e-pawn have ever moved. Actually, the position is possible: Black's b-pawn could have moved to b3 before White's b-pawn move, captured a piece on a2, and promoted to a bishop on a1. The bishop then would have escaped when White moved his b-pawn.

Many find such contrivances ugly, and in competitions for composed problems they would not be allowed. I don't have a big problem with this one because it's not particularly blatant. The position still seems natural enough, and the combination is certainly game like and interesting.

However, if you're going to submit puzzles, be aware that there will be criticism of such things. It is almost never necessary to have them, and they are generally easily avoided. Here, simply move the e-pawn to e6 removes any objection.

Even if such objections don't bother you, why distract discussion from the point of the puzzle into side issues?
fezzik
02-Jun-15, 22:56

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Mountains out of mole hills
The B on f8 is only a distraction to purists. Ok, so the puzzler forgot to put the pawn on e6 instead of e7. It doesn't change the tactic one iota.

And that's the point: this isn't an award winning composition, it's an easy tactic thrown together to educate and entertain us here on one website. The puzzle almost certainly was inspired by an actual game and the puzzler forgot where all the pawns belonged. Otherwise, he should have made the puzzle with White to move.

I'm almost surprised that nobody has complained that the pawn on a7 isn't necessary to the solution.


Mountains out of mole hills.
macheide
03-Jun-15, 05:02

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phonybenoni
You're right my friend. Excuse me ant thanks.
archduke_piccolo
21-May-23, 13:50

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Easy puzzle -
To a tactician, the solution 'leaps to the eye'.
But mates of this type on a queenless board are very satisfying.

I agree with fezzik.
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