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CHESS PUZZLE, FEN r3rbk1/pp1b1pp1/2p3P1/8/2n3P1/2N5/PPP2P2/1KQR3R w - -

Added by:abdalmoneem
Added on:23-Sep-09
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chess puzzle r3rbk1/pp1b1pp1/2p3P1/8/2n3P1/2N5/PPP2P2/1KQR3R w - -
Attempts:904
Solved:660 (73%)
White to move, mate in 5
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biancacrowder
16-Jun-16, 00:34

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good theme
Similar to puzzle #249
knightmare2
16-Jun-16, 00:35

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Highschool
I was shown this mate by a FIDE master John Curdo 20+ years ago and have used it or some derivation of it many times since.
rock-onn
16-Jun-16, 01:12

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finding forcing moves and also it brings the right piece to right position by sacrificing 2 pieces. excellent idea.
macheide
16-Jun-16, 07:24

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This thematic mate is very old. It appeared in GM Ludek Pachman books (among others) decades ago.
kingdawar
16-Jun-16, 08:32

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The mechanism is called Damiano's mate, and Pedro Damiano died in the 16th century, so little wonder it also appeared decades ago  
phonybenoni
16-Jun-16, 08:55

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Hmm. I wonder if you could add five promoted rooks and make it into a fifteen-move without running into additional solutions.
kingdawar
16-Jun-16, 08:57

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Like this? It's fourteen moves. And very ugly puzzle #7761
macheide
16-Jun-16, 09:48

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Well, I've been playing chess just for five decades,  
poipoi
16-Jun-16, 10:14

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A timely reminder that it is the capture of the king that matters - whatever it cost !
breughel
16-Jun-16, 14:27

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puzzle #7761 is non legal. 8 pawns and 5 rooks? Stupid.
mkchess
16-Jun-16, 16:47

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be cool, please.
In a formal way there are not restrictions to create a "chess puzzle" with an "impossible position" (and the position of puzzle #7761 is impossible, no questions about this fact). In a "chess problem" the position must be legal (but there is no important how the position can be reached), but a chess puzzle is not a chess problem.

In the section <<chess puzzles>> of gameknot site we can see:

The goal of all chess puzzles is to checkmate your virtual opponent no matter what moves they make (i.e. a forced mate), in the requested number of moves. Some chess puzzles are created from actual chess games played online, and some are purely composed chess problems, sometimes even with positions that cannot be reached in a real game of chess...

Moreover, it's obvious from the description of the puzzle #77671 (<<#7756 taken to the extreme, fixed from #7760>>) which was the intention of the puzzle.

Try be cool. "Stupid" is a non fair comment about a "joke" like this... If you did not like the joke, do not laugh, but does not harm the humorist (or the joke).
phonybenoni
16-Jun-16, 18:57

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phonybenoni
16-Jun-16, 19:33

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I can accept impossible positions when there is no other way to show an interesting theme, but that hardly seems necessary here. With a few minutes of fooling around, I've got it up to 17 moves in a position which should be possible, though I'd hate to check it for duplicate solutions:

kingdawar
17-Jun-16, 08:35

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phonybenoni
Yes, that's a far more elegant construction. Unfortunately, the puzzle application nowadays only allows four pieces of the same color and type. paranoidyoshi just made terribly illegal diagrams with wicked (sometimes overly ambitious) ideas, that were more often than not unsound too. You can rightfully disregard these diamonds in the rough as silly -- check it out: gameknot.com

mkchess, by the way, that description of the puzzle section has been inaccurate ever since it was put on top of the page, especially this part  
phonybenoni
17-Jun-16, 17:10

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kingdawar
Thanks. That "four-of-a-kind" restriction is no doubt for the best. Those older puzzles with impossible position filled with promoted pieces can be painful to look at, and the result rarely justifies the excessive force.
kingdawar
08-Feb-21, 06:08

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It seems it was taken from puzzle #36817, removing black's queen from the equation
snailmate
09-May-23, 07:29

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This one is almost slapstick.
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