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CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 5bkr/7p/2KPP1rP/4QR2/8/8/3p4/8 w - -

Added by:elpafio
Added on:14-Oct-10
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chess puzzle 5bkr/7p/2KPP1rP/4QR2/8/8/3p4/8 w - -
Attempts:929
Solved:94 (10%)
White to move, mate in 3
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mrfery
04-Nov-14, 01:06

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Where is Queen going?
Took lot of times to understand why Queen is going where she has to go and nowhere else. In many lines a rook or queen sacrifice completes the job. Very interesting puzzle.
4 stars.
andycp
04-Nov-14, 03:45

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Took me a while to understand why queen can't go to b2, but if the black bishop captures d6 that puts a mickey in mate in 3.
italos
04-Nov-14, 04:01

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Μ8 in 4 the easy way
e7 starts mate in four which seems inevitable. My mind stuck to this solution and i couldn't see nothing else...
almonaster
04-Nov-14, 08:20

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e7
I got hung up on that, too. I wish the puzzle engine would let you play the move and see the consequences rather than just rejecting it.
fezzik
04-Nov-14, 08:20

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Wow.
This took me a long time to work out. 4 stars for me. This was VERY clever.
mistindantacles
04-Nov-14, 08:59

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I prefer forcing my opponent
While 2 moves longer:

1. Qxh8+ Kxh8
2. Rxf8+ Rg8
3. e7 ...

.. forces black to respond directly. And I get to sacrifice the Q, which according to GK Puzzle Rules, has to be part of the solution.  
iberville
04-Nov-14, 09:52

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For me 1.Rxf8+ Kxf8 2.Qxh8+ Rg8 3.Qf6+ Ke8 4.Qe7 (or d7) mate found in 2 seconds is SHORTER then 1.Qa8 ! (which do mate in 3 moves but takes at least 10 minutes to be found).
In fact black would resign after 1.Rxf8+ Kxf8 2.Qxh8+, so that White won in 2 moves.
mbomb007
04-Nov-14, 10:07

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Why should black resign? Where is the fun in resignation? Let white play the moves out.
sirissac
04-Nov-14, 11:20

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iberville, It's a puzzle, Black would resign after he read "White to move, mate in 3", so that White wins in 0 moves.  
fajter
04-Nov-14, 13:04

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Elegant and clever
and it was nice to work out all the answers from Black, particularly Bxh6.
fezzik
04-Nov-14, 16:09

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+1 to iberville!
Yeah, I'd have played 1.Rxf8 in real life too. And yeah, I know that since it's a puzzle I woulda failed to find the best response.

BUT, in a real game, I bet that 1.Rxf8! would have resulted in immediate resignation, so in practice, it would have been the faster move (to be played) and the most efficient move, causing resignation in 1!
mbomb007
04-Nov-14, 16:47

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Why do people resign? Is it a preference, impatience, or is it insulting to NOT resign (as if you though they didn't know it was mate?)
archduke_piccolo
04-Nov-14, 18:32

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The frustrating thing...
... about this sort of puzzle is that it took only a few seconds to figure out a mate in 4. If it were a real game, I would have looked no further.

It soon becomes apparent that a pawn or a rook move won't do. After a minute or two (...or maybe three) it seemed that it had to be a Q move to b2 or a1. But for the solution to lie in that direction, there had to be some reason for rejecting one in favour of the other. On what grounds? The Black bishop provides the answer: 1...Bxd6 puts 1.Qb2 out of court.

And so we were able to conclude that 1.Qa1! was the key.
andycp
04-Nov-14, 18:35

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I wish all players would play until checkmate. In my mind, resigning is a wishy washy way to end a game.
archduke_piccolo
04-Nov-14, 18:53

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@ mbomb007
People resign when in their view their opponents will win 'with reasonable play' as I've seen it expressed. Note: 'reasonable', not 'best' or even 'good' play.

The 'reasonableness' criterion will differ from person to person. I've known people to resign a game they weren't losing (occasionally even had a winning position!). That's a pretty low threshold of 'reasonableness'! Others tend to keep playing until in their view they have exhausted all possibilities of resistance.

If a mating combination turns up I might well play it out rather than resign. This I regard as a courtesy to my opponent, but only in that circumstance. Ordinarily it is considered a courtesy to resign when it is clear not only that one's opponent has a winning game, but also that one's defensive resources have been exhausted - no counter-play left. But to carry the game past that point should not be seen as a discourtesy, as there can be all sorts of reasons for doing so, apart from this sort of thing being a judgement call.
mbomb007
04-Nov-14, 19:02

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Thanks for the reply.
olderguy
04-Nov-23, 12:35

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Different 1st move?
Could someone tell me why Qa5 would not work as well?
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