Chess Puzzle #61399

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CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 5k2/1N1P4/1QBR4/8/8/8/8/4K3 w - -

Added by:	yelaman
Added on:	26-Apr-12
Description:
More solutions:	genripushel
Difficulty:	chess puzzle 5k2/1N1P4/1QBR4/8/8/8/8/4K3 w - -
Attempts:	124
Solved:	97 (78%)


White to move, mate in 2

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forzaholland
27-Apr-12, 02:10

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I can't think of any way that makes a double discovered attack possible; only then you can get a triple check.

yelaman
27-Apr-12, 02:27

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hint: try to study old rules of the chess

charleshiggie
27-Apr-12, 02:54

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I think your comment is misleading

I think your comment is misleading. This isn't even a double check, let alone a triple check!

yelaman
27-Apr-12, 05:13

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it needs old info and creativity

desertfoxxx
27-Apr-12, 05:25

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....

There's no triple check here, not even a double check... I agree with charleshiggie that your comment is misleading.. A double check is a simultaneous check from two pieces. It can be done by moving one piece to give check and thereby revealing a second check from another piece (in short, a check with a discovered check).. I've never heard a triple check before and I believe that it cannot be done..

yelaman
27-Apr-12, 05:31

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Nothing is impossible in the chess if u have enough info and creative thinking

forzaholland
27-Apr-12, 06:26

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Yelaman is referring to a chess rule where you can promote your pawn to ANY other piece, even a black king. If you promote the pawn to a black king, you have a triple check....

However, I couldn't find this rule anywhere

forzaholland
27-Apr-12, 06:28

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In this way, you could check nine times at once (4 horses, and 5 queens eyeing the square of promotion, for instance.).

charleshiggie
27-Apr-12, 06:30

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No you can't a double check is the maximum

No you can't a double check is the maximum

charleshiggie
27-Apr-12, 06:55

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Even if there were some old rule allowing promotion to a king

Even if there were some old rule allowing promotion to a king, it wouldn't make any difference. Promoting to a king neither leads to mate nor to a double or triple check.

forzaholland
27-Apr-12, 06:56

Comment deleted on 27-Apr-12, 06:57

charleshiggie
27-Apr-12, 06:57

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Oh I see what you mean

Oh I see what you mean - but I am sure there has never been a law which allows you to promote to a piece of the opposite colour!

forzaholland
27-Apr-12, 07:00

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whoops, deleted and forgot to post the new one. I see you get it now. But that rule is indeed strange and I couldn't find it anywhere. There are some entries about 'fairy chess' online that could have a rule like this.

desertfoxxx
27-Apr-12, 07:09

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I didn't know that a pawn can be promoted to a king, more dubiously an opponent king, according to the old chess rules a few centuries ago.. One of the earliest modern chess games ever recorded dates around the 17th century.. It was a game of Gioachino Greco vs NN in 1619.. Maybe before that time a pawn was allowed to be promoted to a king.. I don't know where yelaman got his source from but that's an interesting insight.. Maybe we just don't know more about chess and its origins.. But still.......

kingdawar
27-Apr-12, 07:30

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Max Euwe promoted to a black king once... and mated three kings next move

charleshiggie
27-Apr-12, 07:34

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Really? Have you got the position please?

Really? Have you got the position please?

kingdawar
27-Apr-12, 07:38

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www.chessvariants.org

charleshiggie
27-Apr-12, 07:49

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Now that IS a triple check and mate!

Now that IS a triple check and mate!

desertfoxxx
27-Apr-12, 07:54

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.....

fictionally ridiculous...

charleshiggie
27-Apr-12, 08:56

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fictionally ridiculous

fictionally ridiculous, but lovely on another sense. Notice that Euwe had to promote to a black king - he couldn't mate both kings simultaneous immediately otherwise!

desertfoxxx
27-Apr-12, 08:59

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Yes I agree... It's pretty funny...

john_wr
27-Apr-12, 09:32

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Tripple check and mate....

very interesting even if it did begin with an illegal move by someone that really didn't know how to play the game correctly. Point is they are not old moves of Chess as stated just illegal moves)

Fail to see the connection with the puzzle?
To achieve the mate in two it's a very simple d8 = Q or R and Qc7++

desertfoxxx
27-Apr-12, 10:18

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Maybe you haven't read all of the threads in this puzzle and posted your comment abruptly.. We were talking about the possibility of a triple check which cannot be done now in modern chess.. But someone wrote that it was possible in the old rules of chess where one can promote a pawn to any piece even a king of the opposite colour..

john_wr
27-Apr-12, 10:38

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abruptly is often how I play chess mostly to my cost on gameknot.......

Maybe I was but my other point was that he triple check example was not possible in the old rules of Chess, but a game on a train between a Master and what looks like a novice. In this case Max Euwe chose to allow what was then ant still is now an illegal move and then played one himself.

charleshiggie
27-Apr-12, 10:44

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I agree with John

I agree with John, but I am glad zetsuna agrees with me that triple check cannot be done in modern chess.

desertfoxxx
27-Apr-12, 10:48

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Good story, eh? lol Max Euwe's train? I wonder if that actually happened...

desertfoxxx
27-Apr-12, 10:51

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Oops!

I took a look again at the link and indeed it is fictional.. My bad..

john_wr
27-Apr-12, 11:30

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ha ha I had wondered....

.... as it seems so unlikely.

yelaman
27-Apr-12, 19:51

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Googling is not enough. I will scan the book and post it. It is in Russian, but the language of the chess is one.

udayan23aug
10-Oct-17, 05:34

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triple check can be done if three white pieces are eyeing at a square and the black king moves into that square.

charleshiggie
10-Oct-17, 05:41

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But....

But you are not allowed to move into check....

udayan23aug
12-Oct-17, 03:51

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That is true

but I couldn't think of another way.

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