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CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 1q1r3r/p7/bpQ3p1/k1pRN1N1/2P1BP2/P6p/1P4P1/1K2b3 w - -

Added by:mika76
Added on:19-Jan-09
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chess puzzle 1q1r3r/p7/bpQ3p1/k1pRN1N1/2P1BP2/P6p/1P4P1/1K2b3 w - -
Attempts:1400
Solved:759 (54%)
White to move, mate in 3
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mrfery
27-Apr-15, 00:20

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Once more!
Another day another Q sac. What else is new?
One star sounds good.
brkst
27-Apr-15, 00:47

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Sinse the solve rate was so low (46%) I first assumed that there was no Q sac. My mistake. Therefore it took me almost 1½ min to solve  
donnaclara
27-Apr-15, 02:35

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Blast from past...
The theme here is Brede square vacation,(Q moves away and gives room to N).
The original presented by Julius Brede in 1844.
I hope this was new to mr.mrfery  
mrfery
27-Apr-15, 03:16

Comment deleted on 27-Apr-15, 04:27
mrfery
27-Apr-15, 05:36

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Welcome to a walking encyclopedia
To Mr/Ms. Donnaclara , First of , I am terribly sorry if I call you Mr/Mrs since your stage name sounds a little bit feminine , which makes me confused. No Offence meant.
Secondly , I am truly impressed by your vast chess knowledge,you are like a genuine walking encyclopedia , a living legend but what I don't understand , Sir/madam, is why I should bother about Julius Brede mate theme since I took care of the problem within 45 seconds. I am pretty sure you are coming here to teach like a dedicated professor your students, i.e. the chess players around this site. I wouldn't be surprised if you tell me you are a GM or WGM. On behalf of all the chess communauty I extend my heartfelt thx to you. God bless you Senior/Seniorita
Best regards- mrfery ( with a name like that I can't be a woman, so no need to call me Mr. Mrfery, it sounds redundant).
donnaclara
27-Apr-15, 06:35

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Thanks!
@mrfery
Thank you for your kind words. You think too much of me  
I am just a humble chess problem friend with some experience and I mentioned your name here, only because you asked "What else is new?".

I hope "Brede's square clearance" -theme was that new thing. (Not that you need to bother about it - but knowing it will not hurt either).
paviland
27-Apr-15, 06:47

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Plain To See?
Another of those cases when you wonder why the solved-rate is quite so low, because the solution seems rather obvious?
1 star is more than enough.
genelee
27-Apr-15, 06:51

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Q sac :: Triple Fork
I like the words of 'donnaclara': "Q moves away and gives room to N".

The Queen really was in the way...
genelee
27-Apr-15, 06:54

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Q sac
If the Queen wasn't there it would be 'Mate in 2'
seif73
27-Apr-15, 07:42

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it was very straight forward, like the first post another queen sac another day.
phonybenoni
27-Apr-15, 09:29

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Brede Square does not sound like a nice place to take a Vacation. They keep kicking you out to make room for another guest.
morphman
27-Apr-15, 09:33

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nice puzzle - 2 stars
Q sac wasn't that obvious to me. The thing that "seemed" obvious was that if I could distract the bishop on e1, then b4 is mate ... but of course it didn't take long to rule out that possibility, so then I started looking at Queen sacs, and rook sacs, still keeping b4 in the back of mind ... I find sometimes once my mind settles on an idea, it's hard to let go of it. Once it became clear that the knight was to do the honors (and not the pawn), then it became an exercise in finding the right Queen sac that did not disturb the position and create an escape square.
mrfery
27-Apr-15, 09:41

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@ phonybenoni
Don't tell me that you are not enjoying the teaching of professor Donnaclara, the walking encyclopedia of 21st. Century. How would you solve this puzzle ifyou don't know that the mate theme is the square vacation created 200 years ago by Julius Brede. Yah ! Julius Brede , possibly a Julius Cesar's kin.
rook2d2
27-Apr-15, 09:46

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Queen sacrifices
The skill is in setting up the position to be able to play the queen sacrifices,there is different ideas behind sacrifices,sometimes it might be to expose the king,another time it may be to take away a flight square away from the king,it seems a too easy to say just another queen sacrifice,when in our games ,mine included ,that is players under 2000 rating probably don't have many if any in there games database.It is not that we can not work them out when told solve for mate but none of us seem good enough to play for them in our own games.Jon Speelman said it could not get into these positions like alekhine where his games were full of queen sacrifices.The point is are chess players missing the point,the skill is in playing for these positions,I believe fezzik said this so I am not taking credit for it.
macheide
27-Apr-15, 10:00

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I don't understand what's the trouble with queen sacrifices. Queen is just another piece, it's value depends of the position. Sometimes it doesn't worth a pawn. Thanks for the puzzle.
mbomb007
27-Apr-15, 10:13

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Queen sacs again. Pretty simple, but I don't know if I'd have seen it in a real game. Also, I'm guessing donnaclara is a Doctor Who fan aka "Whovian"?
gdogfunk
27-Apr-15, 12:03

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Two other solutions?
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I came up with 2 alternate solutions without a Queen sacrifice. Why is this the only 'solution'? Here is one of the two I came up with:

1. Nd3 Bxc4
2. b4+ Ka6
3. Nxc5#
kenderfender
27-Apr-15, 12:10

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1Nd3, b5 seems good "defense" to avoid mate in 3 I´d say (have not spent much time thinking, though). you block 5 row and can sacrifice bishop to make room in a6.

Even better, in the same line: 2...Bxb4

What´s the other alternative?
rook2d2
27-Apr-15, 12:14

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You are mistaken
Nd3 does not work ,I think black can snap the rook off on d5
brkst
27-Apr-15, 12:15

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@gdogfunk
Black can respond 1, - b5.
phonybenoni
27-Apr-15, 12:20

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gdogfunk I think 1...Rxd5 refutes your idea, since it unpins the pawn on c5.
gdogfunk
27-Apr-15, 12:20

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Ah ... b5 is a good defender there. The alternative I found isn't as sound, but it was:

1. a4 Bxc4
2. Nxc4+ Kb4
3. Qb5#

Hoping the king moves to the wrong square.
rook2d2
27-Apr-15, 14:37

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Correct analysis
Gdogfunk as chess players we learn tactics ,strategy etc.but it means as chess players our rating does not improve unless calculation is correct,point here is top computers know nothing about skewers forks pins but they calculate beyond any human even Carlsen would have no chance against Stocfish or komodo.Good luck with your chess.
cliveva
27-Apr-15, 14:56

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easy?
after a 12 hr shift, to get a nice easy puzzle was a small pleasure at the end of a long day.

when I saw the solve rate, I thought I was in for a long think, yet no, it was really easy, so why did so many fail to solve?

any ideas?
rook2d2
27-Apr-15, 15:07

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Comment to cliveva
You need more 12 hour shifts they are helping your game,on the solve rate may be lower rated players tried and failed.
ciaranb
27-Apr-15, 16:47

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1 star
If your eye is trained to expect a Qsac+ as the usual solution to every puzzle, it is not even semi-worth bothering to solve.
schizoidman
22-Feb-26, 09:45

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solving process
When I try to solve a chess problem, I start out as if I am in a game and trying to find the best move. Queen sacs are rare in actual games. So I don't start there unless it is an obvious pattern I am familiar with. It may take me a little longer to solve a puzzle that way, but hopefully, will make me a better chess player.
capafan
26-Feb-26, 16:19

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schizoidman ,
It's a noble intention to improve one's skill. Hopefully, all participants have this in mind, and are not here merely to ridicule strangers, which only raises questions about their character. As for being in a game, in my experience, my style changes if it's a blitz game or a postal chess game. Non-chess players have trouble grasping the difference.

They say all the world champions have been experts in speed chess. I find satisfaction in playing well fast or slow, but I make the worst blunders playing fast, so there's a trade-off.

In this puzzle, the Q was really in the way, but without the e4 Bishop, and a3, b2 & c4 Pawns to push Black back to a5, sacking the Q would've been useless. Playing fast, one has to assess nuances like this quickly and accurately, or else face dire consequences.

Before your Comment, all 25 previous posts were all made within 17 hours of one day, 11 years ago, on April 27th!
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