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CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 7k/1R6/4N3/4q3/5p2/4p3/2n3Qp/1b4nK w - -

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Added on:10-Feb-09
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chess puzzle 7k/1R6/4N3/4q3/5p2/4p3/2n3Qp/1b4nK w - -
Attempts:761
Solved:63 (8%)
White to move, mate in 3
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zwitscher-tron
13-Sep-14, 05:24

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nice.
at first, i didn´t see the difference between 1. Rd7 and 1. Re7, so i only accidently got it right.
I missed, that the correct reply to 1. .. Qa1 is 2. Nd4 . I thought 2. Qe4, concentrating on moves like 2. .. Qa8+ (3. Qxa8#) or release of black´s bishop on move two, which would allow either 3. Rd8# or 3. Re8#, but of course after 2. Qe4 Qg7 (how did i miss that?) nothing works, but after 2. Nd4 only rook on d7 guarantees mate in three (2. ..Qxd4 3. Qa8#).
Nice.
zwitscher-tron
13-Sep-14, 05:27

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correction.
(of course with white´s queen on e4. 2. .. Qa8 is no check)
socializa
13-Sep-14, 06:15

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what?
what problem Rf7?
zwitscher-tron
13-Sep-14, 06:23

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i guess....
1. Rf7 Qd5
2. Qxd5 Kg8
zwitscher-tron
13-Sep-14, 06:27

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and if it´s not 1. ..Qd5
..then probably 1. .. Qa1
2. Nd4 Qxd4
3. Qa8+ Qd8
paviland
13-Sep-14, 06:42

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A Puzzling Puzzle?
I was going to ask why not 1.Ra7 or Re7? Ra7 stops Black using ..Qa1 to defend a8.
1.Rf7 falls apart after ..Qd5 but I can't immediately see why these other solutions don't work.
zwitscher-tron
13-Sep-14, 07:03

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maybe
1. Ra7 f3
2. Qg6 Qc7

?
zwitscher-tron
13-Sep-14, 07:07

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1. Re7 Qa1
2. Nd4 3. Qxd4
3. Qa8+ Qd8

(queen can block which it cannot, when rook on d7)
iberville
13-Sep-14, 07:22

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fast in #moves or in time.
I know the problem is to find mate in 3, but in a real game which is "faster": taking 40 minutes to find mate in 3 with 1. Rd7 or taking 3 seconds to play 1. Qh2+ Nh3 2. Qh3+ Qh5 3. Qh5+ Kg8 4.Qh7 mate.
bheav
13-Sep-14, 07:34

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thank you iberville
I was thinking the same thing, but something was wrong with my logic
paviland
13-Sep-14, 08:59

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zwitscher-tron
Yes, that seems to explain why 1.Ra7 doesn't work but there's still Re7?
socializa
13-Sep-14, 09:12

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What?
1. Rf7 Qd5
2. Qxd5 Kg8
3. Rf8++
socializa
13-Sep-14, 09:18

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or
Rd7 and Rf7 - black play Nf3

no checkmate 3 moves
sirissac
13-Sep-14, 09:21

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A lot of the rook moves can be answered by 1....Qa1. It defends against 1.Rc7 (though Qxc7 is simpler) , 1. Re7 and 1.Rf7 (thought Qd5 works as well). If you didn't go over every line while solving the puzzle go back and find the mate from 1. Rd7 Qa1 at least. It should clarify things in a way words can't.
sirissac
13-Sep-14, 09:30

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socializa, Nf3 doesn't defend against Rf7. White mates in 3 with 1. Rf7 Nf3 2. Qg2 threatening 3. Rh7#.
If Black defends with 2....Ng5 or 2....Qh5 or 2....Qc7 then 3.Rf8#; and if 2....Qg7 then 3.Qxg7#.
socializa
13-Sep-14, 09:34

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sirissac, not understanding 2.Qg2
zwitscher-tron
13-Sep-14, 09:44

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@socializa: 1. Rf7 Qd5
2. Qxd5 Kg8
3. Rf8+ Kh7
(not checkmate)

@paviland: i wrote about 1. Re7 (look at comment no. 8)
socializa
13-Sep-14, 09:50

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zwitscher-tron, ok

1.Rd7 Nf3
no checkmat 3 moves
zwitscher-tron
13-Sep-14, 09:55

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1. Rd7 Nf3
2. Qg6
a) 2. .. Ng5 3. Rd8#
b) 2. .. (any queen move) 3. mate with queen on h7 or g7
c) 2. .. (releasing bishop) 3. mate with rook on h7 or d8
macheide
13-Sep-14, 10:23

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Very fine (and difficult) puzzle. Thanks.
sirissac
13-Sep-14, 18:08

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socializa, I meant 2. Qg6. Sorry for the mistake.
The mate is similar to what zwitscher-tron described in his most recent post (except d8?), though I built my cases around the threat of 3.Rh7# and not what is moving. As a list it would be:
a) if Black does not defend the h7 square, 3.Rh7#
b) Black defends h7 with 2....Qc7, 2....Qh5, or 2....Ng5, then 3.Rf8#
c) Black defends h7 with 2....Qg7, then 3. Qxg7#

Of course, there are multiple mates available after a number of moves. This division is just what seems most natural to me.
paviland
14-Sep-14, 07:53

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zwitscher-tron
Missed your post about why 1.Re7 fails! Thanks for the explanation.

Quite a lot more to this puzzle than first meets the eye  
snailmate
15-Mar-26, 14:30

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1. Ra7 looked like being a delightful solution. Unfortunately after 1....f3, White must move the queen. He can safely do so because he can no longer be checked by the black queen, but after 2.Qg6, Qc7 White's rook is blocked and there is no mate in 3.

It took a little longer to figure out why 1. Re7 or Rf7 doesn't work; the R must be in position to block the Q after it captures White's N on d4.

A nice try is 1. Qc6, thwarted by 1...Qe4+!. 2. Qxe4 and White's own pieces prevent the Q from reaching the 8th rank to give mate.

In a real game I probably would have played 1. Rb5, either winning the Q or allowing the R to give check on h5, leading to a fairly quick mate though not in three moves.
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