|
« TAP TO LOG IN
|
GameKnot related: A Question for Game Knot
« Back to forum| From | Message | ||
|---|---|---|---|
|
 A Question for Game Knot This happens so frequently , player's timing out hiding there on line status yet starting fresh games I do not want to win games by time outs - I realised this can't be stopped I also realize that Game Knot will not answer me - probably because they don't think they can do anything about it Maybe I just wanted to let off steam 😕 |
||
|
|
||
|
I was annoyed because he ran the clock down against me when I started winning His average time actually speeded up in all his other games , and he started new games I don't now some people just hate to lose , with me win lose or draw I enjoy playing chess ,end of , Ignorance over he board equates to ignorance in life |
||
|
People tell me to slow down when I’m rushing my golf and making a lot of mistakes, why on earth wouldn’t the same principle apply to correspondence chess, a slow, thinking game? |
||
|
His average move time is or was 2.5 hrs When he was +4 in points he moved against me I'd say @ least once per day ( I was the slower player) not realising I was maneuvering him , hopefully into a position ! But when he had only 1 move he could actually make - frustrated I decided to check his status He 'd hid his on-line status fair enough that is ok Started 3 new games 2 league games and a team match Made quite a few moves in these games is as well Oh yes cut out the Banter - along the lines of he had me (beat ! that is) That to me is a little bit more than an "Assumption" And i do get wound up with arrogant bad losers who are so full of themselves ..... Whatever In my life I have played many sports and games and was very active , I see the beauty in chess and love the history and etiquette , think it is a shame that more and more people do not feel the same way , Do not slow your golf find a rhythm 😉 Phew I'm worn out with all that lol |
||
|
You could even try feeling sorry for them, because if they’re really dragging out a lost game, then that losing game will be sitting there forever on their games list like a sad lemon. Meanwhile, you’ll have a juicy low hanging fruit waiting to land straight onto your plate. P.S. Slowing down the golf didn’t help, you’re right, I’m still hooking it into the lake. |
||
|
I think I was right it happens with us lower rated player's , unfortunately But your right I can't do anything about it |
||
|
clashofpawns 25-Sep-18, 07:43 |
|
||
|
Hi Clash! I agree--there are many good reasons for delaying moves in games. You do have to be cautious not to time out, but one reason is to give you more time to find a better move. Why rush losing? Rush winning--sure. That is what conditional moves are for. |
||
|
clashofpawns 26-Sep-18, 07:34 |
lord_shiva |
||
|
My Opponent Triggered Four Sequential Conditionals 19-Sep-18, 07:01, game started 19-Sep-18, 07:36, lord_shiva - moved 19-Sep-18, 08:38, AH - moved 19-Sep-18, 21:12, lord_shiva - moved 20-Sep-18, 17:58, AH - moved 20-Sep-18, 17:58, lord_shiva - conditional move 20-Sep-18, 18:03, AH - moved 20-Sep-18, 18:31, lord_shiva - moved 23-Sep-18, 08:20, AH - moved 23-Sep-18, 13:24, lord_shiva - moved 23-Sep-18, 19:50, AH - moved 23-Sep-18, 19:50, lord_shiva - conditional move 23-Sep-18, 19:52, AH - moved 23-Sep-18, 19:52, lord_shiva - conditional move 23-Sep-18, 19:53, AH - moved 23-Sep-18, 19:53, lord_shiva - conditional move 23-Sep-18, 19:53, AH - moved 23-Sep-18, 19:53, lord_shiva - conditional move 23-Sep-18, 19:54, AH - moved 24-Sep-18, 22:17, lord_shiva - moved 25-Sep-18, 16:24, AH - moved 25-Sep-18, 18:26, lord_shiva - moved 25-Sep-18, 21:21, AH - moved 26-Sep-18, 00:08, lord_shiva - moved 26-Sep-18, 06:13, AH - moved 26-Sep-18, 06:30, lord_shiva - moved We're on move 13, 5 of which were conditional. That's 38%! 56% after move 9. I could have done a few more in this game--just didn't feel like it. My time per move can sure use the boost too. |
||
|
clashofpawns 26-Sep-18, 11:10 |
|
||
|
|
||
|
clashofpawns 26-Sep-18, 11:40 |
Chess Soul... |
||
|
...Or I'm ambivalent either way, though, given I wasn't getting all that much use out of my immortal chess soul. If I could sell it, well worn but still durable and tough, how much would it be worth? More than 13 shekels of silver, I hope. Platinum. Or rhodium. Let's see, a shekel was maybe 14 grams. That is closet to half a troy ounce. Call it 0.45. 13 of those: 5.8 troy ounces. Spot metals market for rhodium is 2175 USD. So $12,723 and change. Would I never play chess again for $12,000? Too much of a sacrifice. I think I'll keep working on exercising my chess soul, through longer and longer conditional move chains... Which builds better soul muscle do you think Clash--fast aerobic lightning games, or strenuous, in depth power lifting conditional moves? |
||
|
Wait! 30 (0.45) = 13.5 troy ounces. $14.57, $200 USD. So Judas sold his savior for $200. Cheapskate! |
||
|
evader23 26-Sep-18, 16:10 |
Lost Chess Soul? If by that you mean love and/or skill of the game, I couldn't disagree more. In fact I think it is the opposite. You take and opp. piece, you know he'll take it back what is the harm in programming a response to the takeback while you are thinking about it. Also in the opening if there is an opening you like to play then why not program it at the start. Forced mates are another good use if cond. moves. I had one game I remember the guy had me dead to rights but there was an obvious mistake he could easily make. And if he made I had mate on him. I programmed the cond. while thinking of it but also thinking surley he won't do that. I come back a day later to a message that I had one that game. Had I not programmed the cond. on that I probly would have forgot it in the time he made his next move. One final use of cond. I hear people complain all the time about how slow their opp. is moving. If it is not your turn in any game. Study the board on the games in progress and figure out opp. move and program your response to that. Even if the opp. makes a different move you are keeping your skills sharp with the study/practice. My point many uses of cond. I've used all of the above at one point or another. There are people who use cond. more than me. There are those who hate the whole concept and there is every level in between and I've play all of them. I use them when my time permits. And it no longer phases me when they are used against me. |
||
|
clashofpawns 26-Sep-18, 16:26 |
I like to do three sets of 15 lightning games and then a conditional move spree to failure. If the failure set gets to 5-ply or deeper, then I up the rating by 50 ELO next workout. |
||
|
Clash I have to completely agree with everything Evader wrote, of course, but want to emphasize the "slow play" comment. You hear that over and over again--correspondence chess takes so long. If I have a pretty good idea what the next three moves are going to be, how beautiful it is to come back and see they've all been played, and the game has progressed that much further. Now, if you don't like making conditional moves (they ARE scary), no one is on their knees begging you to do it. Always play at your own pace. Take all the time you need--always. One chess master once said, "there is always a better move." You guys with your fancy mobile cellular phones can play whenever the spirit of the Lord so moves you. Me, I have to wait until I can connect. Sometimes I have things to do, and it may be two or three days before I can get back to a device, and check the status of things. Sometimes I don't know what I want to do, and delay for that better move to flow into my skull. The muses visit me in my dreams. Often in the form of Clash, whispering sweet movements into my ear. I feel a surge of psychospiritual energy flowing through me, knowing I am in the presence of awesomeness I kick my slippers to the floor, crack my knuckles, and lay my hands upon the keyboard--entering moves both awesome and glorious. When you catch my conditionals, you're getting top-of-the-line chess spirit. In the ranks of chess spirits you have your cherubim and pawns at the bottom. Above those are arrayed the heavenly hosts of bishops and bishoprics. What is the plural of diocese? Budding dioceses of chess fanatics. And of course above all the myriad ethereal glowing silicon boards in GK's celestial server are the king and queen. The "forced mates" of the chess universe. That's the realm where you'll find Clash, effortlessly trouncing opponents who consult the stockfish oracle on every move, feeding plays into their hyperthreading Core-i7 processor farms. |
||
|
Conditional moves can act as psychological warfare in the endgame Personally though, I find conditionals fun both to use and play against, as I'm not being force-mated. Perhaps it's the subconscious thrill of the hunt. |
||
|
I do not hate Conditional moves , forced mate etc. If people want to use them , well it's up to them really, I can cancel a game or refuse a challenge No problem , I no a surprising amount of people don't use them, But when people key in multiple variations , well I'm sorry that's not what I enjoy in a chess match , I totally enjoy inspirational play , when a game opens up with a poor move or a the pressure build up of a thought out plan , in that moment win lose or draw I just love to see a game evolving , And personally I don't get that with conditional moves It's all wham bam thank you ma'am! lol 😉 It's an added extra , just not my cuppa Chess should not be over serious. Feel the game . If you want to Train Train |
||
|
Omg Can't resist - hoping everyone has a Great New year and throughout 2019 @ Gameknot our Premier Computer Chess Site !!! Yeah 🙌 |
||
|
Conditional Moves Even in the opening I rarely program more than one or two. I program exchanges. Check moves, sometimes, and I will always program any forced mate because I regard those as already won. My power goes out, or I get hit by a bus--I still deserve the win, man. |
||
|
evader23 04-Jan-19, 13:25 |
|
||
|
|
||
|
Probably because when they are used I resign ..... Lol 😉 But I've stopped resigning now I play the game out especially below 16 games But I think the top top player's use them for 10 plus moves either setting up an opening which TA told me about once or because they only play one game every 10 years so they have the time to analyze every move and program it in , with loads of variation then they sit back and Pat themselves on the back ( the last part is dripping with sarcasm ) I guess someone would have to volunteer a record as we could never find out |
||
|
Record I had another 5 move sequence back in August I was pretty proud of, mentioned above. But in general I think the variations are so enormous most top out after just a couple of moves. Tactical Abyss has boasted of much longer chains--he probably holds the unplanned GK record. |
||
|
TA obviously new his stuff but I know top player's are really good - but all this excessive analysis , is it a bit robotic , called whatever by a memorised book , sometimes I play these guys to see how they win , and end up a little cheated as they wait for my mistake without forcing me into one , It's probably why I won't be a good player , I like trying to force my opponent into a mistake - by a series of moves - obviously you can tell by my rating they don't always come off I look up some of the old player's and the games are much more fun to me than the modern ones They played with more freedom ! Anyway have fun p!aying 🙆 |
||
|
Not the Opening I do use quite a few conditionals for the opening moves, including a current game against Claukonen. He laughed that I had not programmed the entire game against him--but that isn't the point at all. The point is simply to advance obvious lines of play. If there was a "perfect game" then there would no longer be much point to chess. |
