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mihaimarinescu 07-Apr-12, 14:07 |
 Real time chessFirst of all I want to say that this is a great website, from many points of view. I'm sure you hear many praises, so I'm not going to just repeat what others say and so I'll jump to the topic: My only problem with this website is that the real time chess feature is not very tempting for beginners or players who are learning. Regular games, with 2 days+ time to move are great, but not the best for learning, because there you have ample time to study just about every possibility of every move, an option you obviously would not have in a real game. The real time feature here, with the incremental time control is good, but it works best for advanced players. For weaker players, 5 + 20 seconds with every move is a little extreme since there isn't a decent time to think over difficult positions. In a 30 move game, there isn't even a minute per move. I find it also very hard to get an opponent who plays at least a 10 minute game. So why not keep the current situation, but add a few additional possibilities. Such as 30 minute games etc. You understand what I mean. I think it would really be an improvement and attract more players. Regards, |
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tactical_abyss 07-Apr-12, 15:59 |
As to the corresp,this site is the best for learning that I have observed.Plenty of time controls and players of all strengths.I'm a member of over 10 chess sites and consider the USCF correp site and GK the best. I'm not sure,but I believe that GK dosen't necessarily want to "draw in"and load up tons of blitz players like the big blitz sites have.There is a host of problems associated with thousands of players playing primarily blitz,not to mention server issues and more.Keeping it simple and clean,less bickering/suspensions like UChess has and others is simply better.I actually prefer GK to let things alone in the blitz arena.I enjoy actually "getting away"from ICC and other main blitz sites to play a good corresp game here or a simple,unrated blitz game on GK WITHOUT all the bells and whistles.I would perhaps prefer a 4 minute setting or an 8 minute setting,but its no big deal.The 30 minute time settings you are seeking aren't really considered "true blitz"by the pro's like me,so I personally would not want to see it anyway.30 minute settings exist,however,on other sites and are just a click away,so I suggest simply going there. My strong suggestion is to change the "way"you seem to want to learn...which,from the way you write appears to be from these chess sites.Forget the chess sites for the time being! Buckle down on various chess books,tactical/positional/opening DVD's you can learn from and even better......buy a good tabletop chess machine!I have learned from those machines and have improved over the decades by several hundred rating points!You can adjust the time,strength,take back moves,cancel the book openings and more.Its like playing a human.As you improve,then you can set the strength controls a bit higher.In my opinion,learning from a tabletop chess machine is MUCH better than trying to learn from a chess site,any chess site,regardless of any time controls or bells and whistles! |
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baronderkilt 08-Apr-12, 03:30 |
Good Idea ... I wonder how hard it would be to get 30 min opponents though; if anyone would be waiting for such games. If not, I suppose there are forums and Turn Base games to look at while waiting for someone to show up for a 30. Or more practically, we could send a "Hey you, want to play?" msg and just arrainge the game that way. |
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tactical_abyss 08-Apr-12, 08:30 |
As Baron said,however,30 minute sudden death would be ok,but on a correspondence site like GK's...I doubt that will happen and if it is on a blitz site(or GK's blitz room),again,if it is added as a feature,you will not get enough responses to make it worth it....atleast for "learning"purposes as mihaimarinescu desired. Some sites have 30 minute and 60 minute time controls,but over the years I and many of my online chess friends have tested the "hits" on those time frames and we all got sore butts from waiting for oppents to respond!So,you won't get much of a "learning curve" from those 30 and 60 minute clock times.Again,do not misunderstand me,i'm not against longer time controls,i'm just giving you some statistics on this scenario if it does become activated on GK. |
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mihaimarinescu 08-Apr-12, 11:08 |
I have found some other chess websites that seem to answer to this particular need of mine very well so it's no big deal. The reason why I wished for GK to have it too was because it has the best design and visually it is the most decent of all I've seen so far. No big banners with "THE BEST CHESS WEBSITE EVER" or "GET A PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP TO ENHANCE YOUR EXPERIENCE" here. About learning, I do have books, I do have videos that I study, I realize their importance. But, ultimately, without extended practical experience in "the field" there can be no real progress. So I believe is in any activity. |
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tactical_abyss 08-Apr-12, 11:50 |
Again,it may seem unusual if you never got into it much,but I still strongly suggest investing in a nice board sized chess computer machine.It is practically like the "field"you mention since you can fine tune the better machines to match various playing styles from aggressive to passive,rating strengths,blitz settings to correspondence settings of several days and different books including random play without a book.Some machines even move their own pieces!!So its like playing a human.I hardly know of anyone who did not improve their learning skills both tactical and positional using one of the better machines.You can buy them through many sources,or go online through the USCF(there is a link on my profile page)and you will see many listed for sale. See,what you suggest is fine(30 minutes ect),but you will get many more games practiced on a machine as compared to any chess site and you can set up a game whenever you desire,instead of "waiting"for your opponents to respond to moves or a game.And when you "blunder"a move,take back on a machine is easy.If it beats you too many times,just pull the cord out! |
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baronderkilt 08-Apr-12, 15:18 |
If it beats you too many times,just pull the cord out! www.chessboxing.com Great point there; Chess-puters ARE great training tools. But I always get Rushed playing them, knowing I can always hit that NEW GAME button. I may need a mannequin or inflatable opponent to sit across from me. Although that sounds so cool to have a machine like Joe mentions, that will move the pieces. Big $$ tho. Ain't that the way with the really Cool-Stuff. $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ Another neat thing on some training puters; they have settings to play different styles (even some little hand-helds like the old "Kasparov Travel Champ" from the 90's can be adjusted for style of play.) I think there were even some I saw back then 90's that had modules supposed to play like certain GM's would. Maybe it was the Mephisto, for one? I'm not sure now. |
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tactical_abyss 08-Apr-12, 15:56 |
That is,if you take your chess game seriously!Lots of players want to improve but not invest in anything or very little,and expect miracles to improve several hundred rating points in scant amounts of time.You can only get so much out of a book,DVD or game play on GK.Using every possible tool,including a tabletop is an investment to improve and is worth every penny. Trust me,I know. |
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tactical_abyss 08-Apr-12, 16:26 |
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zeppoj 29-Apr-12, 09:59 |
Real Time gain |
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