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tactical_abyss
11-Jun-12, 09:41

Evaluation symbol psychology....
There has been many discussions over the years on tactics,positional moves,stalling,conditional moves and how to speed up games.Perhaps this has been proposed before,but my opinion is that evaluation symbols should be implemented on an occassional move basis.Theoretically, symbols can actually help speed up a game by alerting a player(in opinionated mode)by say a "!"for my good move or my opponents bad or weak move..."?".Plus others like the + and = ect ect.If my opponent differs in opinion,he may erase the symbol,if it can be set up that way.But psychologically it can help speed up a game depending upon how the symbols are utilized.Now normal keyboards are not necessarily set up for symbols like the sideways "8" figure(for unclear position) or the various plus/minus symbols,but perhaps a drag and drop on the symbols can be implemented on the board page.I just feel that a players live input on an ongoing game(beyond the chat feature)relative to symbolic psychology would be something alot of players would prefer,and has some advantages without trying to explain(chat) to someone....hey,your last move was a big blunder...are you sure you want to continue?
theoretician
11-Jun-12, 15:22

If the purpose is really to speed up the game, then why not simply resort to faster time controls 2days/move. Or may be even selectively choose opponents who play many moves per day. If you want to annotate publicly while the game in progress, this feature is already there.
tactical_abyss
11-Jun-12, 15:43

thanks,self-adjoint.
Yes,2 day time controls help(as most of my games are)...but some players simply desire the games to move even faster by ending quicker(earlier resignations).Sometimes symbolism can turbocharge that even a bit more,atleast as it is believed with many opponents and players I have spoken to.Annotations are fine,but I was primarily speaking of not annotating,just symbolic evaluations directed only towards the opponent.Publically illustrating the same,may,indeed have a theoretical reverse impact and may cause the opponent to play on and on,even longer in the face of the public attention given to the game even moreso.But a few evaluation symbols cannot be done exactly anyway,unless you have a special keyboard that can duplicate all of the symbols correctly.So,GK would have to place all of the primary 12-15 symbols on the page anyway for which you can click onto or click and drag.

This probably won't ever happen,but isn't a bad idea.Its been tossed around in some of the chess circles I frequent,so I am just passing the idea along.
amacivn
15-Jun-12, 08:22

i_have_arrived
Joe ,I like the idea of a type of live input ,
I know that this is not what you were really on about ,and
I know we have clubs , but they always seem of a high rating which may intimidate us so called weaker opponents ,to give input ,the few i have viewed seem to concentrate on the correct move , so to speak
The chat is i think only between the players currently playing , and annotations are after the game ,
I wouldn't mind checking out a so - called live game and asking what they are thinking , without there opponent seeing the answer ! or somebody asking me, at the moment i don't like to give to much away , as it can be stopped !
The good thing about this site is that we have so many strong players who will chat , symbols etc would help with the language barrier

tactical_abyss
15-Jun-12, 11:59

amacivn,
My idea of these symbols that most of us are aware of,isn't something new in corresp chess.
Those of us who have used postal chess have been using symbols for decades.And indeed yes,by bringing to attention a players weak move by a ? or by myself making a killer move and writing in a ! or even a !! can speed up a game without saying a single word!You simply cannot do it on the GK numbered move list,like in postal chess.I have had a ton of earlier than usual resignations from opponents over the decades without saying a word!Again,its the "psychological"aspect of a symbol.Heck,i've had a good # of opponents in the past resign the game when I placed a symbol like ! by my move or a ? or ?! by his move and my opponent wrongly "assumed"it was correct but it was not!!! Is this fair?In reality,just like in postal chess,yes it is legal and simply a matter of opinion on that move whether accurate or not.As to fair,ha ha....well,thats a matter of opinion!All is "fair" in love and war across the chessboard!!!

So,other examples may be that my opponent cannot speak a word of English,so symbolism can do it for you,where annotation cannot be used very well or not at all...see?Plus,unless it is agreed by both chess opponents,the game should never be annotated(especially in a rated game) publically.Plus,I would not want to explain to my opponent move for move....why this ,why not that move ect ect and leave the "cat"out of the bag,its a rated game!See?

So,symbols are a great tool(and weapon!) in certain case scenarios during a live game.Whether the public see's the symbols or not,I personally do not mind,for the game is between my opponent and me,and public input is not allowed,especially in the regular rated non club games(or games that were NOT set up for annotation)...so it dosen't matter.After the game is over,then thats a different story....then annotate all you want!

Again,this is all theoretical,I don't expect suddenly that we will be able to do this.But many of us "old timers"like the idea and it is feasible,even in online corresp chess.The true value of such an option,is relative.Useful to some players and a waste or not ever understood by others for the "why"of such use of those silly little symbol things ?! (Speculative attempt to complicate).Hey,whats that?????
shamash
15-Jun-12, 12:20

well, during an OTB game. . .
it is not generally tolerated
that when my opponent makes a move
and I record it, that I may ostentatiously scrawl a LARGE ?
mark right next to his move as I mark it down. . .
tactical_abyss
15-Jun-12, 12:51

Correct shamash.But OTB is a totally different scenario.Plus,you would not be able to write on your opponents scoresheet,whereas in Corresp it has been allowed for as long as I can remember....its bit like sharing the same scoresheet in corresp,unlike OTB.

I wish I could post some of my postal corresp games,you would be amazed at not only the various symbols which make the game interesting,but a host of conditional moves and subvariant conditional moves symbolically illustrated leading up to major piece capture if using this string of moves or that variant string.Plus,all of this can be set as an "option"that is only permissible to use if/when an opponent has "symbol usage" checked as an option.If he does not,then the other opponent cannot use it.Simple.