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GameKnot related: 2 part question about bllitz chess.

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woutstra 26-Feb-13, 20:06	2 part question about bllitz chess. first off why is there nobody in the 10mmin time poll games... i like to take my time but don't want the games stretching out over a week second is there a site where you can play human oponents without any time limit?
tactical_abyss 26-Feb-13, 20:51	Woustra, Hello again.There should be players in the 10 minute GK blitz room,but since it is not as popular as the 3 and 5 minute time settings,you might not find anyone using that 10 min for quite a while.Also,what time of the day it is can affect the amount of players in the blitz room.On other sites 10 min is more common.But there is not nearly the same "amount"of players on GK playing blitz as other pure blitz sites,so then more players will choose,say,5 min over 10 min...in order to get more games played in an hour as opposed to getting 1 opponent 10 min game played and then waiting another 15 min to find another 10 min opponent. Generally speaking,I have found the 5 min settings the most popular on GK.Stick with that,especially on the weekends and you should have plenty of opponents to play.Too fast for you?Well,can't help you out there! As to blitz with no time limits...no there is no site with "unlimited"time settings for blitz.For if that were true,then it could not be called "blitz"!Rapid or Quick blitz has a maximum time setting of 60 minutes.Anything over 60 min,as far as I know is not considered "blitz"anymore. Thus,there has to be a time limit if one wants to be playing a game that is "defined"as blitz.
woutstra 26-Feb-13, 22:46	it isn't so much that i can't play 5 min games hell i can play a decent 3 min game the problem is as im learning i like to try out some new tactics wich require some longer thinking time.. btw i realize it wont be called blitz anymore i just like to play a live game without a time limit
woutstra 26-Feb-13, 22:48	btw as you are here i would like to thank you you have given me some great advice over the last couple of months wich helped me improve my game alot so thanks for that
tactical_abyss 26-Feb-13, 23:01	Well,as to a "live"game without time limits....you mentioned "blitz"in your first post,so I limited my response to a blitz explanation.If you want to go beyond the blitz into a different area of thought,with a live game played without time limits...that does not technically exist anywhere on Earth,since a time limit must be given to all games.However,you can simply ask an opponent to play you a "live"game on GK and stay online with him until the game is finished. Other than that,your out of luck....except if you want to play real live over the board chess....and that has time limits as well,usually no longer than 2 hours.
woutstra 27-Feb-13, 02:18	i know i made it sound confusing i just hoped people would understand without me explaining it since i was typing on the wii u and the typing was becomming anoying... and i am having a feeling that my english skills are getting worse... i hope this post made any sense
woutstra 01-Mar-13, 10:43	new question is your rating in blizz the same as your normal rating?
tactical_abyss 01-Mar-13, 11:35	My blitz rating is approx the same as my corresp rating.My OTB rating is a bit lower than my Corresp and blitz rating because I haven't played for a few months.My OTB rating was about the same as my GK Corresp rating back in 2006,but it lower now. So a "normal" rating can be either a correp rating OR an OTB rating and has no connection to your blitz rating.For a blitz rating you have to play rated blitz either on a chess site that has rated blitz or play blitz OTB(Over the board in official tournaments with a live opponent sitting across from you). Generally speaking,many players blitz ratings are "less"than their OTB or regular corresp ratings.That is,if one keeps playing on a regular basis their OTB and corresp games.Since blitz is alot faster and has less think time than a 3 day per move corresp game or a 2 hour OTB game,then your personal rating numbers are many times lower in blitz than a GK corresp rating,for example.Not that this is always the case,but yes,it is quite frequently the case. Then there is also many times a wide gap in your personal blitz strength ratings depending upon the time settings of your blitz.I have known players that are good at 10 minute blitz and have a rating of say,2000 but when they play 3 minute blitz,they are not nearly as good and cannot think as fast and their official rating drops to say,1600-1700.Some blitz sites(without mentioning names)give you a seperate rating for bullet chess,rapid chess and others...all which have a specific time level of play,max and minimum time levels. Mine fluxuate in those catagories since I play next to zero blitz in 10-15 min settings.On one blitz site my bullet and blitz rating is around 2500.But my "Rapid" blitz rating(15 min or higher) is only like 1400!Ha ha!But thats not because I play worse in longer time controls,but I only have played a small handful of games in the "rapid"division...so its technically provisional yet.It does look funny on that site,however! 1400,then 2500!
tactical_abyss 01-Mar-13, 12:43	so,woustra, I'm not sure if you were asking me if "my"regular rating is the same as "my"blitz rating or if anyones blitz rating is the same as ones regular chess rating?Your question can be interpreted in two different ways.In any case,as I said above,blitz and regular games must be played seperately and the rating can be vastly different or equal depending upon how well you do in each type of game play.So there is no "link" connecting the regular rating(OTB or corresp) to someones blitz rating. Hope that helps!
woutstra 01-Mar-13, 17:26	sorry what i meant was for here on gameknot wether the rating from blizz is the same as the "normal" or are those two different ratings
tactical_abyss 01-Mar-13, 18:19	woutstra, Well GK dosen't have a rating system for their blitz,atleast not yet.So it is not the same as the regular GK rating because a blitz rating does not exist.You will see an opponents regular(normal)GK rating appear above the blitz board in a GK game,but that is his normal GK rating for his correspondence games,not a blitz rating. So for example,if a player has a 1500 rating in his normal GK corresp rating and never plays another regular normal GK correspondence game again,ever....his 1500 rating will appear above the blitz board on GK and stay at 1500 even if he plays 1,789,987 blitz games!!!So even if he was the best blitz player in the world and the strongest,he still would show...1500 above all his GK blitz games,now and forever,unless his rating increased or decreased in his corresp games on GK. Hope that helped!
tactical_abyss 01-Mar-13, 18:40	Deleted by tactical_abyss on 01-Mar-13, 18:49.
tactical_abyss 01-Mar-13, 18:49	Now,your next question might be...well,is there a way to figure out a GK blitz rating for my opponent even if GK dosen't have one for him? Answer:No. Well,not exactly anyway.Since GK does not have a regular database of blitz games available to the members,there is no way to tell what a players true blitz rating is.There are ways to take an educated guess of his rating if you and others keep a personal record of wins/losses/draws and run your own set of calculations on that specific opponent OR perhaps check his rating on another blitz chess site(probably the best way).The other way is to simply observe his style of play,techniques and other things,but i'm not going to get into that,it would fill a book.But other than that,your out of luck. So yes,a player could have 1200 showing above the blitz game in front of you(if he never played a corresp game on GK),but he could be of 2300 strength,maybe 2400 strength,you'll probably never know. When in the dark,a good general rule of thumb is that on many occassions and statistically,an opponents blitz rating is in the ballpark of about 200 points below their corresp rating.But this estimate is only good if you have a set of numbers to work with.So the opponent would have to have an established corresp rating on GK first(closer to 100 games,atleast) then subtract 200-250 points from that corresp rating to get an approx.blitz rating for that opponent.
woutstra 02-Mar-13, 06:41	thanks i could never see my rating in blitz so i was wondering also during gameplay you can make a good guess of someones rating especially in the opening
tactical_abyss 02-Mar-13, 07:39	Deleted by tactical_abyss on 02-Mar-13, 07:47.
tactical_abyss 02-Mar-13, 07:46	In regular corresp games,you really can't even estimate someone's rating in the opening most of the time due to the fact that the majority of players follow an opening database of moves,whether it be GK's or some other database.So,since this is simply copying someone elses game from the past(in the opening,which could go as much as 30+ deep especially in a Ruy Lopez)and probably has been taken from some past GM game a long time ago...then its not that players moves but someone elses.Thus,its not your "opponents"rating at all. In blitz,yes,perhaps you can do a bit of estimation,but only if he is not following any book lines at all. However,by mid or endgame in a corresp or blitz game thats a different story.Then,you can begin to try and estimate an opponents rating.The only exception might be if that oponent follows no database at all and makes all kinds of out of book and erratic moves in the opening.Perhaps then,one can begin to estimate,but that does not occur as frequently.In addition,its usually not advised to do that since it usually leads to a weak game for that opponent.Now,i'm not speaking of a game like a Trompowsky that moves out of book,say,after move 10.But perhaps a game that your opponent moves something like 1.b3 then 2.a4 ect.That is weak,so yes,an opponent making that from the opening followed through by perhaps 3.h4 and follow through like that and he is playing you woutstra and its rated,not unrated...then yes,you can begin to guess that the player is probably your rating or perhaps 800-900. But again,let me repeat,the opening for the most part is not going to give you an idea of an opponents rating,since its someone's elses database opening usually,not your opponents moves....thus,since its "not" his game in the opening,then you cannot estimate his rating in the opening until later in the game....mid or endgame or both.

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