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flip22
10-May-18, 08:05

conditional moves

as i state on my Profile, I'm a lover of conditional moves
it would be good if GK could show the amount of successful,
just suggesting
replies welcome
MIKE

yon_cassius
11-May-18, 15:15

I like conditional moves too, if an opponent has put on their profile that they don't like them... I'll make a note to not use them in that game - I might want to play them again.
If there is nothing in their profile about it I assume they aren't bothered!

Nick

evader23
11-May-18, 15:49

In the log of the game it shows if a move was cond. or not. Not quite the same but close. What I would like to know is what percent of moves overall on this site are cond.

Also while discussing it why don't more player use them. If you take my piece you know I am going to take it back program the a cond for it. Don't have to use them all the time but every now and then when it is obvious punch in a few and let's speed up the game some.

I am not saying that you can't take your time and/or you have you rush. You are allowed to use any/all of the time on the clock. I just recently downloaded a game in progress to an offline board to look at. Once offline line I found the next move pretty easily and had I been inclined could have spend another hour or two looking at it and found a couple a lines and programmed the cond. for it. I decided to just make the one move for now and come back to it later.

Also there is a player on here, I don't know his/her name nor would I say if I did, that plays 14 day games only and has a avg time per move of 3 or 4 days. Before I say the next thing let me that they are within ther rights to move at that speed. But on his profile it says don't use cond. moves against them. That is where I have a problem. You can't move at that speed and expect a player who moves faster to not use cond. once in while.

I don't use them all the time but in certain situaions they are almost a must(takebacks forced mates etc). And while I don't use them all the time as much as I use them I am surprised no one has said stop it to me. Unless I have been fortunate enough to have polite opponents who respect the cond. move as an option

myrydin
12-May-18, 14:41

I’ll make CMs when I see fit, but other times, I see no point in limiting my CChess options. For example, I might delay re-taking a piece because there are better priorities.

Not that those who refuse to use CMs have to justify it in any way.

deeper_insight
13-May-18, 06:03

Deleted by deeper_insight on 16-May-18, 16:38.

myrydin
13-May-18, 07:18

Isn’t that what themed tournaments are for, or do they only go so deep?

Mind you, some people don’t play tournaments, so perhaps themed standard games would be a nice option.

deeper_insight
13-May-18, 07:39

Deleted by deeper_insight on 16-May-18, 16:38.

myrydin
13-May-18, 09:06

Thanks for that, DI, I do try to break away from the book sometimes in order to try and stop opponents throwing the book at me. The chances that an opponent will have outread or out-researched me are rather high, unfortunately. Better to attempt a bit of mischief-making instead.

But yes, I can see how CMs will help a well read player to branch into their preferred lines.

deeper_insight
13-May-18, 09:42

Deleted by deeper_insight on 16-May-18, 16:38.

stalhandske
13-May-18, 21:45

Vive la différence!

Of course, we are all different - also with respect to the use of conditional moves (CMs). Personally, I use them very rarely (although I don't mind the least if my opponent uses them), and only in so-called absolutely obvious cases, e.g. assuming the opponent captures a piece in order not to lose material. This is why I would not be particularly interested in the CM feature suggested at the beginning of this thread. When it comes to "book moves", which mostly means moves found in huge databases, not real chess books with opening theory, I may represent a minority. Although I occasionally look for opening moves in an "ordinary" chess book, or sometimes in the limited Game DB provided by GK, I don't use databases for openings, which (as TA pointed out) can go 40 moves deep, or more. For me (but I accept that others feel differently), that would take away a lot of the thrill of a game, and would diminish the learning potential for me. Of course, if I were to use such a "book" I might study each suggested move at depth, but I am afraid that intrinsic laziness would prevent me from doing that.

deeper_insight
14-May-18, 03:39

Deleted by deeper_insight on 14-May-18, 05:42.

deeper_insight
14-May-18, 05:42

Deleted by deeper_insight on 16-May-18, 16:38.

deeper_insight
14-May-18, 09:45

Deleted by deeper_insight on 16-May-18, 16:38.

stalhandske
14-May-18, 23:06

<....the lesser rated players really should study the various branched conditionals before simply applying any opening database moves with conditionals.>

This is a very important point, and in some sense related to my earlier comment. I am afraid that the existence (or the use) of extensive opening databases may have a detrimental effect on some players, who'd just use it without "understanding". This was the crux of my earlier point. DI points out the danger of this among "lesser rated players", but it may not be easy to say where the border goes in this respect. I have no doubt that it is obvious in cases such as DI, but I feel that there is a looming danger for many less accomplished players, also players with relatively high ratings.

deeper_insight
15-May-18, 06:19

Deleted by deeper_insight on 16-May-18, 16:39.

stalhandske
15-May-18, 06:44

I agree

with the concept, but regarding myself personally I don't. Even after all these years my knowledge of opening theory (in my memory) is quite limited, and I will have to admit that I sometimes consult one of my opening theory books. But I would not touch one of those extensive data bases - for the simple reason that it would have a detrimental effect on me as a chess player (because I am likely then to just "do the move from the book without much thinking" - presumably out of sheer laziness). I appreciate that for someone else it may well be quite different if one carefully studies the move suggested by "the book".

I also know that many of the very best players at GK do precisely as DI recommends. I guess that some of them (including DI) may have created their very own extensive databases.

For someone like me this is, of course, then a special challenge - how to "overcome" such a vast body of information? My "solution" has been to cherish "odd openings" - perhaps I have fooled myself in believing that they are relatively poorly covered in databases. At any rate, one of them is the Sicilian wing gambit (as white), which was recommended to me by original_sin, and which I have had some success with.

Finally, the game btw TA and my friend osclopez (posted above) is a real beauty!

stalhandske
16-May-18, 21:54

Again!

So again TA just removes his posts with the result that the discussion becomes incomprehensible to others to a large extent. I think that is deplorable and egoistic.

deeper_insight
18-May-18, 16:22

Deleted by deeper_insight on 18-May-18, 16:37.

deeper_insight
18-May-18, 16:37

Kind of an interesting read in the link.Never to be undersood,of course.

gameknot.com

Again,I am rarely understood,but my reasons are deep,profound,surface and bubble up to the top the "non admitted"things of others in their thought process against me by using super psychology with a motive in mind.My tests are flawless and rarely understood,even if I play a double edged sword from time to time.It was all a game to prove something about two people.
And I was successful in proving the cliche/action thought process of others like they have with the equivalence of the same label on a hundred sardine cans.Independent thought process and "control"is lacked by some.But automatic expected response,is expected from others,especially after my "confirmation"test is over.Just an ignore list test,which,of course,remains from years ago and still remains for a reason,but never understood by some minds.No need for me to return and read the response.For counter arguments,even valid ones have no basis in being significant to me.
For my test had its faults with a double edged sword,this I understand.But personal deeper reasons with motive also have validity to me.I love testing some,from time to time and test some to see if that "automatic sardine response"surfaces.With no complaint,I would have lifted the ignore list of said person.But he failed my test,unfortunately.Never underestimate me,my tests or motives.There is always a logic involved,if rarely understood.

deeper_insight
18-May-18, 17:23

Let me add....
A way to have passed my test was to have a bit of "deeper wisdom".Which ultimately proves something to me.

Since the conversation was basically between two people for the most part,excluding readers present or future,the complainer in question should have asked himself...

Deeper though procees that should have occurred:

"Now "why"is TA doing this?"I do not understand it,but there must be some reason for it"?!
He is a smart guy,so,he cannot be deleting for no reason at all.Is it really his ego,or is it something more profound and deeper?"

"Lets wait a while and see,perhaps their is something I do not see that is below the simple upper surface of his posts being a small nuisance to others.Lets wait and see before I simply complain to GK."I should not be "too swift" or automatic in my actions or thought process.

This in turn would illustrate a way of perceiving that supersedes the simple "surface" thoughts of "it confuses future readers".I was looking for more profound deeper thinking from said person beyond the sardine cliche response and complaint.

My ignore lists are in place for good reasons.

stalhandske
18-May-18, 20:56

Deleted by stalhandske on 19-May-18, 03:50.

stalhandske
19-May-18, 03:56

Thank you for the explanation. I refrain from commenting on somebody's remarks that are so much deeper than anyone else can understand. Others may only pick the jewels of that fantastic thought process for a short while, before it is removed to oblivion by the super master.

<With no complaint,I would have lifted the ignore list of said person.But he failed my test,unfortunately.>

Oh really, ye great one, what a fantastic future that I missed by this failure.

myrydin
19-May-18, 05:12

I have enough trouble trying to understand chess.

lord_shiva
10-Jul-18, 20:35

Deletions

It is suddenly a nearly incomprehensible one sided conversation. Why not delete the thread altogether? A thread punched through with holes seems largely pointless.

I just assume TA peppered his responses with obscenities or gross mistakes which he felt remorse over, hence the deletions. It is a good assumption--people delete comments they are embarrassed or ashamed about, or which have been reported.

Stalhandske, however, responded to the comments as though they were normal. So that explanation doesn't quite fit. It sure does seem obnoxious, however.

lord_shiva
10-Jul-18, 20:35

Deleted by lord_shiva on 10-Jul-18, 20:35.

lord_shiva
10-Jul-18, 20:36

Deleted by lord_shiva on 10-Jul-18, 20:36.

amacivn
14-Jul-18, 09:51

Deleted by amacivn on 14-Jul-18, 09:51.

amacivn
14-Jul-18, 09:55

Deleted by amacivn on 14-Jul-18, 09:55.

amacivn
14-Jul-18, 09:58

Gawd can't believe I did that again

Flip

I'm not typing all that again 😤

And i can't remember the thread now 😉

myrydin
14-Jul-18, 14:34

Maybe there should be a time limit on the right to delete a post, or something like that, as returning to the forums, only to find them full of thin air, is annoying and likely to put people off from contributing.

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