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riaannieman 19-Jan-19, 11:28	If a team refuses to play There is something that happened to me the first time since I became a captain of a team. Another team captain refuses to take the challenges from SWAT. Many other teams decline challenges from SWAT for one reason or another, but eventually we always come to an agreeable challenge and the game is on! This particular team flatly refuses to take our challenges. Are there any other captains with a similar problem? Has anybody been able to overcome it? Luckily I have learned from shirlmygirl and other captains who recorded conversations that they foresaw could become a problem- I have the exchange recorded. For now I'll refrain from mentioning the team and the captain, but I think it is unfair to our players if a captain is being bull headed and doesn't give his team the opportunity to play another team. I am interested to know if other team captains have the same problem with this particular team as well.
goldentweety 19-Jan-19, 13:19	The Crusaders The team captain has placed me on ignore and will not accept any matches from my team. In fact he blames me for losing his team and publicizes it on his home page There is a thread on this but I can't find it Some people are just ignorant SWAT is always welcome to challenge our team
apatzer 19-Jan-19, 14:44	Goldentweety Here is the link to that discussion m.gameknot.com
joveyboy1 19-Jan-19, 14:51	I never have really had that problem, however there are several teams out there who often won't respond to a match I send. I try to wait, but with a team my size, 48 hours is my limit. I often end up just not wasting my time with those teams, though I'm ready to take any matches they send me, if they ever decide to.
riaannieman 20-Jan-19, 01:07	joveyboy1, yes there are teams that do that to SWAT as well, but I keep on trying. From time to time they accept a fair challenge. But a team that refuses after trying just once to set up a challenge- unsatisfactory to SWAT- makes me uncomfortable. We play ~✠~ KNIGHTS TEMPLAR ~✠~ and Chess Warriors (Triton) regularly, even if some challenges are declined at times. We all understand that it happens; the opposing captains may see or know something that we as the challengers don't. For instance, some of my players have been nominated for a particular challenge and according to the roster they seem to be open, but they have some personal issue to attend to and contacted me to avoid new games for them. The opposition wouldn't know about this. No, this refusal is based on the criteria I use to choose opponents, criteria which is common to us all in some order or another. We all have a basic list of statistics we look at when choosing and nominating players, but the priority of that list may differ from team to team. For example, I put much stock in the 90-day averages and less so in the all time averages. Other teams prefer to prioritize the 1 year average over the 90-day, and an interesting one: there is a team that put the team rating and rating floor above all. I respect that other captains have other priorities. We all strive to accommodate each other and at times we bend a little to allow a challenge to go ahead. I think it is bad sportsmanship to refuse a challenge because the opposing captain just doesn't want to consider that another team has another system. It borders on coercion to conform with methods that may be less desirable for a particular team. I also wouldn't put my personal preferences, likes, dislikes and animosity before the good of the team. There may be players on both teams who are eager to play each other but because a particular captain has issue with a certain situation, the players never get the opportunity in a team challenge. Especially non paying members who prefer to play team matches are at a serious disadvantage in such a situation, but it is not restricted just to them. Now the question becomes if I should name this team or not, and the captain involved, and see if this team has done the same to any others?
shirlmygirl 20-Jan-19, 12:15	I read the thread through for the link that Robert posted. I found it quite interesting, - again.
shirlmygirl 20-Jan-19, 12:33	If I were you, Joe (goldentweety) I wouldn't be concerned about The Crusaders declining your challenges because it is very likely that every other team will accept them.
joveyboy1 22-Jan-19, 23:54	I understand what you're saying riaannieman, I always look at other team's preferences for matching if they have them listed. If they match in a different way, I always try my best to accommodate their preferences with how I like to match. I can't think of any problems I've had with those teams, I start matches with them just fine. Teams that have preferences but don't list them anywhere have been a problem for me. There have been a couple captains that have told me about their unlisted preferences, and I've started plenty of matches with them, but then there is at least 1 team I've encountered that had notable preferences but wouldn't tell me about them. Because of that, I haven't matched with that team in over year and I probably won't match as long as the current captain is there, since I recently tried again and they wouldn't reply (I doubt it's the same team you're talking about riaannieman, as this team doesn't usually run in the top 50, but I'm just assuming). I do have smaller issues with other teams, whether they decline matches with no provided reasons, or they just don't bother replying at times. Thankfully I am able to start matches fine with most of the teams on Gameknot, and there's not one team on Gameknot I won't accept matches from. So with that, yeah perhaps it is hard to understand why this team is against you for no known reason riaannieman, but don't let it bother you. If they don't want matches, that's their fault, but if they ever change their mind, well, it'll be up to you if you want the match from them. Hopefully one day that is exactly what will happen though. Time will tell I suppose.
amacivn 01-Aug-19, 09:46	Going thru old threads I saw this ... I've been talking to a decent Captain on GK and it seems both of us don't understand why a Team Captain fails to respond ... as if they expect it will disappear as if by magic - surely everyone has heard of the decline button I'm on Joveyboy 's team I do not wait for 48 hrs , a team is active through activity , players join teams for matches it's not rocket science And why are Captains posting invitations for new members when two thirds of their players want games .. I am being dramatic but inactivity will be our downfall just look at the forums
shirlmygirl 01-Aug-19, 13:06	I found it interesting to go back through this old thread. It refreshed my memory with regard to some previous posts on The Captains' Club. I have come to the conclusion that when a person deletes many of his comments, that person is being insulting or rude. I rarely delete my posts. I am straightforward in what I say, but I try not to be insulting to other people. That has not been the case where some people have responded to me. I also think that sometimes a captain does not realize that there is a challenge waiting for him(them). I saw the message about a Club post this morning, so I looked at it right away. Then I decided I had better take a quick look at my other messages and I found that there was a challenge waiting for me, so I attended to that before coming back to this thread. One time, I sent a message to a captain asking him if he was going to respond to my challenge. He apologized and said that he hadn't seen it.
riaannieman 02-Aug-19, 00:48	As a captain my first responsibility is my team and its welfare. Therefore, before I even look at my own games, I check to see if there are any team matters to attend to. This would include, but is not limited to: 1. pending challenges and setting up new challenges; 2. team results with specific focus on timeouts; 3. messages from other captains; 4. messages from my players; 5. personal issues with players- sickness, newborns, holidays, calamities such as extreme weather conditions. 6. Other menial tasks that need to be attended to: morale boosts to underperforming players, posts on team forums which includes answering them, looking for entries breaking the rules of GK, and so on. Only after I attended to the team would I attend to myself. It stands to reason- if chosen/nominated as a leader, there is a responsibility that one has to attend to. It should not be negotiable. That is what leaders/managers are for: to take responsibility.
amacivn 02-Aug-19, 03:18	As I expected two of the most honest decent and very active Captains respond Well said to both ... says I 😄
jz_1244 02-Aug-19, 05:12	Couldn’t have said it any better mate! My own team mates ask me at times if I’m doing okay or if I even sleep lol since I’m online most of the time.I’m logged in from work and my phone so GK is always on my head. As I always mention to them, the team always will come first. Like riaannieman mentioned, I would always tend to the team’s matters and issues first before going ahead with my own profile as well since we’re the leaders and we must lead from the front and set an example for the team. As it relates to the team challenges, I will never keep a team waiting once I’m online, if I’m offline then it’s a different case. But I’ll always respond as fast I can to the challenges. As stated in our home page, the Barmy Army is a small but active and dedicated team. I try to keep my players active as much as I can and same goes for me. When it comes to declining a challenge which I hardly do and try to avoid since in my personal opinion I find this rude if I’m to decline one, I will give the best explanation to the opposing captain as to why I did it and I will even suggest new pairings just to get a match up and going. All in the sportsmanship and spirit of the game
riaannieman 02-Aug-19, 05:31	Yes, I also engage in negotiation if I think that there is a problem or better options. Many other captains can also attest that I often point out if I think they made mistakes, even if such a mistake would advantage my team. I am always honest and fair. And that means both ways.
amacivn 02-Aug-19, 08:25	Now Now make that 3 .... 3 teams very easy to match against
jz_1244 02-Aug-19, 09:10	Haha you know it’s easy to reach me at anytime Neil mate 😉
shirlmygirl 02-Aug-19, 10:49	It is very nice to be able to reach the captains quickly, but, on the other hand, if your team has very few available players, then it is very difficult to find a good match. I look often, but don't find.
amacivn 02-Aug-19, 12:12	Sorry , I can't tell you how I make a match but I prefer 2 player , its easier to control Which is why I'm not a lover of bigger matches of more than 3 players each, which is a bit of a gamble especially on a smaller Team , I think if your patient you will get a match by looking @ the Captains on line But have you ever considered a co Captain from within your team on a different time zone to you , who can make matches when your not on line ... I know you have some very decent players who care about your team And I also know how protective you are , it's just a thought Neil
stalhandske 02-Aug-19, 12:24	Let me interject here: I am neither a captain or a vice captain of a Team, but a member of this club on the "additional premises" allowed. What I'd like to say is that I have from years of experience here at GK the highest regard for the job done by Team captains and co-captains. It would say that at least 75% of the success rate is directly attributable to the excellence of the captain/co-captain and the remaining <25% to the player. Yes, I am serious! Much of the "matching" in Team games is based on thorough analysis by the Captains of the strength of their Team players relative to the opponents.
shirlmygirl 02-Aug-19, 17:48	I know that I am protective of my team, Neil, as you say, but that is because I am protective of my personal standards and the integrity of my team.   I appreciate Stalhandske's remarks.
amacivn 05-Aug-19, 12:02	Stal your missing the point , the problem I raised was why would a Captain leave a challenge hanging ? Why do they not press decline .... it was explained to me that they think that they disappear as if by magic If a Captain does not like a challenge why not decline ? It's not rocket science
joveyboy1 05-Aug-19, 16:55	I've always thought when that happens, it's various things. The captains being challenged either are busy with other things on Gameknot, they don't realize there's a match, they don't feel like dealing with the match, don't like the team sending the match and purposefully let it sit there, or they have players pending in another match and don't want to give them up. That's what I've always thought, and I'm sure every situation I just mentioned has come up one way or another.
mikemate 05-Aug-19, 17:29	We had a challenge sent to us a few days ago and players were assigned. It still sits awaiting approval. The Captain has one more day on his postponement so my assumption is he will accept upon his return. The team has three co-Captains that apparently ignore all challenges.
shirlmygirl 05-Aug-19, 17:30	Those are very good reasons, Joe.   Shirley.
sad_but_true 05-Aug-19, 17:46	My Circumstances, limited time There are times i get on when im at work just to make some moves cause im about to time out. i work 10 - 12 hr days most days so sometimes i get 5 mins at lunch to do this if not its in the toilet. im a carpenter so i don't have a computer in front of me all day hence also i cant get on when u get home cause im getting dinner ready, showering and spending what little time i have with my Partner and my kids. im generally pretty good at clearing challenges but i also time out games cause i have limited time. Joe's response is pretty bang on aswel
riaannieman 05-Aug-19, 22:22	"...don't like the team sending the match and purposefully let it sit there..."- yes sometimes I get that impression from some teams......
joveyboy1 05-Aug-19, 22:25	mikemate, if that was me, I would decline the match, but make it clear I'll send a new challenge when they return from vacation. There's no way I could wait that long   shirlmygirl, I know I had a couple others, I just can't remember right now. I'm sure there's various other reasons I'm not aware of. sad_but_true, that's a lot you deal with, wow, how do you do it? You seem to keep up with everything quite well, despite being busy almost non stop it seems.
petemellor 06-Aug-19, 04:30	Don't see the problem "why would a Captain leave a challenge hanging ? " If a captain doesn't respond to my challenge or my acceptance, so what? It doesn't stop me using the players involved in other matches. I can see it's a problem for large teams wanting to turn around challenges quickly but just tell the teams involved why you don't accept their challenges when you decline the match. They will change if they want to play you. I don't see anyway we have the right to dictate another captain's time management. www.google.com More seriously everyone in the thread appears to be passing over the main point. I can't say this strongly enough and as I have told him many times in the past, Neil (amacivn) is a moaning git. He's actually happiest when he is complaining. If we could resolve this problem he'd just stir up something else. 😇
amacivn 06-Aug-19, 05:46	🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃 When you get your new specs 👓 then I'll answer Doktor Pete 😁 Pete your so ( not really ) lazy you've got a snooze button on your alarm 😁 !
petemellor 06-Aug-19, 05:50	Well,......well......you are a rotten Liverpool supporter so there!
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