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 End TimesHere is a thread on the Gospel I started in another club, followed by the most recent post in that thread… m.gameknot.com Here are 10 reasons why commandment keeping and works have nothing to do with the Gospel and salvation… • The Bible wouldn’t say people can know they’re saved if their salvation were dependent upon an unknown standard of commandment keeping and unknown quantity of good works. • Salvation is described as a gift (and even a free gift) in the Bible. • Sins have always been forgiven through a substitutionary blood sacrifice (animals in the Old Testament, Jesus Christ in the New Testament.) Sins have never been forgiven through commandment keeping and good works. And sin is what separates humans from a holy God. • The purpose of the Mosaic law was to condemn man and show man his need for a Saviour. See Galatians 3:24-26. • Those who want to be justified by the law have to keep the whole law and keep it perfectly, which no one but Jesus Christ has done or can do. As both the Apostle Paul and James said, if you offend in one point of the law, you offend in it all (i.e. God’s standard is perfection.) And Jesus in the Gospels redefined adultery as looking on a woman with lust and redefined murder as hating someone (because they had been committed in the heart.) • The Gospel as stated by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 makes no mention of commandment keeping or works. • The false gospel of salvation by commandment keeping and works puts people’s focus on themselves and not on Christ and serving others. It’s the exact opposite focus a Christian should have. “For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.” (Galatians 5:13) • Christ deniers who promote a false gospel cannot say what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross, cannot identify the Gospel, and cannot say how believers can know they are saved while still physically alive on earth. Those should be red flags to anyone who hears their false gospel. • The false gospel of salvation by commandment keeping and works indulges man’s ego, which is anathema to God. • The false gospel of salvation by commandment keeping and works creates divisions in the body of Christ as its adherents boast in their flesh and compare themselves (favorably of course!) to others. Their focus is (again) not on God or serving others but on themselves. People who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their SAVIOUR are not saved and not in the body of Christ. “And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:23-24) And here are two threads on the Rapture from another club, followed by two recent posts in the second thread… m.gameknot.com m.gameknot.com Is the Rapture really on the Feast of Trumpets 2025? “I Spoke To Brother Joshua…” youtu.be Video is 11:56 From AI… <<The Feast of Trumpets in 2025 will begin at sunset on September 22nd and end at nightfall on September 24th. In the Jewish calendar, this is known as Rosh Hashanah. It is also referred to as Yom Teruah, the Day of Trumpets.>> From the Bible… “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) “I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” (1 Corinthians 15:50-55) “Important Update. Timeline To The End: Part 2” youtu.be Video is 32:59 |
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End Times The opinions of Bible scholars plus about $12 on top Don’s tariff import tax can get you a cup of coffee. Signs and wonders we always have, comets, meteor showers, floods, fires, obnoxious trumpet players, white horses, red horses, and all that. We don’t break seals anymore. At least I don’t. I always open letters on the narrow edge as the lengthwise envelope doesn’t. Let the contents slip out as easily. |
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But these aren’t signs of the Rapture; they’re signs of the Tribulation. And since I (and many other Christians far more knowledgeable about the Bible than me) believe the Rapture precedes the Tribulation, signs of the coming Tribulation mean the Rapture is even closer. But here’s a good YouTube short by a Christian woman objecting to Rapture date setting (and I don’t blame her, though I’ve been in that date-setting mindset as well.) I think the case for the Rapture taking place on the Feast of Trumpets in 2025 is certainly interesting, but if it doesn’t happen on Sept. 23 or Sept. 24, life goes on and my relationship with Christ will be unaffected… “Watch this! ✝️” youtube.com Video is 2:39 |
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Vic's last link And then all of us sinners will be alone to fight it out. |
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Vic's bottom link I didn't watch enough of Vic's last link to find the timeline for the "end", but according to some of the comments; we're looking at somewhere during September 2025 for the trumpet sounding. And then all of us sinners will be alone to fight it out. Alas: Vic's link in 09:36 makes more sense --- Those who claim to know when the end is coming will likely burn in hell for deceiving God's children. |
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I didn't watch enough of Vic's last link to find the timeline for the "end", but according to some of the comments; we're looking at somewhere during September 2025 for the trumpet sounding. And then all of us sinners will be alone to fight it out.>> We’re all sinners. Some of us have had our sins forgiven through the blood of Christ, but a lot of us haven’t. And those who haven’t won’t be fighting each other in the Tribulation; they’ll be fighting against God. “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36) “What does it mean to believe in Jesus?” www.gotquestions.org |
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She said nothing about “burning in hell.” Why do Christ deniers think God’s go-to and only punishment is hell? That’s not the God I know. And it’s not the God of the Bible. People whose sins haven’t been forgiven, who’ve rejected the way of reconciliation and salvation God created at great cost to Himself, are the ones on the broad way to destruction. “And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:23-24) |
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(2 Peter 3:9) “Repentance” is translated from the Greek word “metanoia,” which means to change one’s mind. In other words, to go from unbelief in the Gospel and Jesus Christ to belief in the Gospel and Jesus Christ. “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” (Mark 1:15) (i.e. change your mind and believe the Gospel.) |
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“Jewish Women Shares Her Testimony After Meeting Jesus” youtube.com Video is 2:55 |
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Vic Thanks for your quick response and no: She didn't exactly say that. But what she did say was that those who think they communicate with God well enough, and/or understand the Bible or Nostradamus, etc. well enough to take God's place (only God knows) to frighten and disrupt the lives of his children WILL PAY FOR IT --- Just like the guy in your other link and many others who broadcast similar he-racy. Bottom line: If you want to believe what the devil and his hosts are preaching to you; keep it to yourself or suffer the consequences. |
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I don’t think anyone is trying to frighten God’s children. Why would the Rapture frighten anyone? <<Bottom line: If you want to believe what the devil and his hosts are preaching to you; keep it to yourself or suffer the consequences.>> The projected Feast of Trumpets date is partly based on day counts in the Bible. But yeah, I’m not in favor of date setting for the Rapture and said as much when I posted that video. Christians ought to be focused on Christ and not on the Rapture, though we are told to watch for it and the Bible describes it as Christians’ “blessed hope.” And the devil and his hosts aren’t preaching to me. If you had any idea of the seriousness of what you claim, you wouldn’t be throwing around hell and the devil and his hosts so carelessly and flippantly. |
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vic I merely argued that those who broadcast to the world with claims that they know when the end of time (on earth) will come might well be on a VERY wrong track to salvation. After that: The devil is a pain-in-the-ass who wants to preach lies to all of us, and it sometimes seems to me that the harder one works to understand God's essence; the harder satin works to get us. |
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<<proclaimthegospelbahamas242 6 hours ago 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐞 𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓 𝐝𝐨 🆚 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐞 𝐒𝐇𝐎𝐔𝐋𝐃 𝐝𝐨 𝟏. 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐞 𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓 𝐝𝐨 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐝: Acts 16:30-31 (𝐊𝐉𝐁) 30 And brought them out, and said, 𝙎𝙞𝙧𝙨, 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙢𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙄 𝙙𝙤 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙫𝙚𝙙? 31 And they said, 𝘽𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙚 𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙇𝙤𝙧𝙙 𝙅𝙚𝙨𝙪𝙨 𝘾𝙝𝙧𝙞𝙨𝙩, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙪 𝙨𝙝𝙖𝙡𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙫𝙚𝙙, and thy house. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone. We must believe in Jesus for eternal life. Nothing else can save you. 𝟐. 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐞 𝐒𝐇𝐎𝐔𝐋𝐃 𝐝𝐨 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐝: Ephesians 2:10 (𝐊𝐉𝐁) 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Good works are not required for salvation, they are what we should do because we’re already saved. They show our love, honor, gratitude and obedience to God. 𝐋𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞: 2 Corinthians 5:14-15 (𝐊𝐉𝐁) 14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Because Christ loves us and died for us, we should live for Him, not for ourselves. This is about gratitude and love, not earning salvation. ➤ 𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓 = 𝐁𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 → 𝐄𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐋𝐢𝐟𝐞 ➤ 𝐒𝐇𝐎𝐔𝐋𝐃 = 𝐋𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 → 𝐆𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐬 ➤ 𝐌𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧: 𝐋𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐟𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐨𝐫 𝐝𝐮𝐭𝐲>> Amen! |
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Cult Belief Religion really should stick to social interaction, potlucks, and sermons on moral and ethical principles and etiquette. Not fantasies of demons and tribulations and end times that are never going to happen. The signs always point to “the end times.” When our time ends it will be because we did it to ourselves. Think Mars. The planet was once lush and green but is now a hellish, barren landscape devoid of life with an unbreathable atmosphere, thanks to conservative political policies. |
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Are You in a Cult? To assess if you might be in a cult, consider questions about the group's control, your relationships, and your critical thinking. Specifically, ask yourself if the group exerts undue influence over your life, if you feel isolated from outsiders, and if you are discouraged from questioning the group's teachings. Also, consider if you are pressured to cut ties with family and friends, and if critical thinking is discouraged. Here's a more detailed breakdown of questions to ask yourself: 1. Control and Influence: Does the group dictate how you spend your time, money, or relationships? Are you encouraged to isolate yourself from family and friends? Do you feel pressure to conform to the group's rules and beliefs, even if they conflict with your own values? Is questioning the leader or doctrine discouraged or punished? Does the group control or heavily influence your access to information (e.g., books, websites, social media)? 2. Relationships and Isolation: Have you ended or distanced yourself from longtime friendships or relationships since joining the group? Are you encouraged to bring people into the group or convert non-believers? Do you feel pressure to prioritize the group over your family and other relationships? 3. Critical Thinking and Dissent: Is critical thinking discouraged or punished within the group? Do you feel fear, guilt, or shame about leaving or even doubting the group? Are you expected to cut off or limit contact with outsiders or ex-members? Does the group have a black-and-white view of the world, positioning itself as good and outsiders as evil? 4. Emotional Manipulation and Fear: Does the group use fear tactics, such as threats of punishment or eternal damnation, to control members? Do you feel pressure to donate excessive time, money, or resources to the group? Do you feel your personal identity is being replaced by the group's identity? 5. Other Potential Signs: Does the group have a charismatic leader who is seen as infallible? Does the group have a strong "us vs. them" mentality? Is there a lot of emphasis on obedience and conformity? Is there a double standard in the group, where leaders are held to different standards than members? Do you feel like you have to project an outward appearance of happiness, even when you're not? |
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In fact, Christianity is the opposite of what you listed as signs of a cult… • Control? There is freedom in Christ (especially freedom from the bondage of the law.) • Isolation? Christians often meet for fellowship both in and out of church. • Conformance? Other than believing in Jesus Christ, Christians have diverse backgrounds, occupations, opinions and beliefs. • Questioning punished? No, It’s encouraged! • Limited access to information? Huh? How? I could go on and on (and may respond to 2 through 4 at another time) but Christianity is nothing like you (or ChatGPT) described as signs of a cult. |
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Sure, Christians (or those who identified as Christians) have done some terrible things too, but imo they are far fewer and can’t be blamed on Christianity, which is defined by the New Testament (the faith’s foundational text.) |
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<<proclaimthegospelbahamas242 1 day ago 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐄 𝐎𝐅 𝐒𝐀𝐓𝐀𝐍 𝐈𝐍 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐆𝐀𝐑𝐃𝐄𝐍 Many think Satan’s lie was only about rebellion or sin. But it’s much deeper: it’s about distrusting God’s simple Word. He twists it and adds to it, just like he still does today. 𝐆𝐨𝐝’𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝: Genesis 2:16–17 (KJB) 16 Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God gave a clear, simple direct command. Only one tree was forbidden, everything else was free. 𝐒𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐧’𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐞𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?…And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: — Genesis 3:1 & 4 (KJB) Satan twisted God’s words. He made Eve doubt God’s goodness and truth. 𝐄𝐯𝐞’𝐬 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐞: Genesis 3:2–3 (KJB) 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Eve added a rule God never gave. She put bondage on herself that God didn’t require. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐨𝐧: Satan deceives by twisting and adding to God’s Word. Paul warns us about this regarding the gospel of salvation: 2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJB) 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡: ➤ Jesus paid your sin debt in full. ➤ If you trust Him, you already have eternal life (John 5:24). ➤ This is eternal security — once saved, always saved. ➤ Don’t be confused by any false gospel or add religious works or rules to salvation. ➤ That is the same lie of Satan today. Trust Jesus. His Word is enough. His work is complete.>> |
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“Right Definition Of Repentance!” youtube.com Video is 1:27 Amen, sister! |
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<<proclaimthegospelbahamas242 1 hour ago ✦ 𝐐𝐮𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧: 𝐀𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟, 𝐨𝐫 𝐢𝐧 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐬𝐚𝐥𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧? Many self righteous & religious people think: “Jesus saves me, plus I must do enough good works.” But the Bible says that salvation is 𝐄𝐈𝐓𝐇𝐄𝐑 by grace alone 𝐎𝐑 by works alone. It cannot be both mixed together. If you trust partly in your good works and partly in Jesus, you are not fully trusting Jesus. Put all of your trust in Jesus. He already finished the work on the cross. Salvation is a free gift, not something you earn. Romans 4:5 (𝐊𝐉𝐁) 5 But to him that 𝙒𝙊𝙍𝙆𝙀𝙏𝙃 𝙉𝙊𝙏, but 𝘽𝙀𝙇𝙄𝙀𝙑𝙀𝙏𝙃 on him that justifieth the ungodly, his 𝙁𝘼𝙄𝙏𝙃 is 𝘾𝙊𝙐𝙉𝙏𝙀𝘿 𝙁𝙊𝙍 𝙍𝙄𝙂𝙃𝙏𝙀𝙊𝙐𝙎𝙉𝙀𝙎𝙎. Romans 11:6 (𝐊𝐉𝐁) 6 And 𝙞𝙛 𝙗𝙮 𝙂𝙍𝘼𝘾𝙀, 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙩 𝙉𝙊 𝙈𝙊𝙍𝙀 𝙊𝙁 𝙒𝙊𝙍𝙆𝙎: otherwise 𝙜𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙜𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙚. But 𝙞𝙛 𝙞𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨, 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙜𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙚: otherwise 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠. Romans 3:22-26 (𝐊𝐉𝐁) 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all 𝘼𝙇𝙇 𝙃𝘼𝙑𝙀 𝙎𝙄𝙉𝙉𝙀𝘿, and 𝘾𝙊𝙈𝙀 𝙎𝙃𝙊𝙍𝙏 𝙊𝙁 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙂𝙇𝙊𝙍𝙔 𝙊𝙁 𝙂𝙊𝘿; 24 Being 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙛𝙞𝙚𝙙 𝙛𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙗𝙮 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙜𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙙𝙚𝙢𝙥𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝘾𝙝𝙧𝙞𝙨𝙩 𝙅𝙚𝙨𝙪𝙨: 25 𝙒𝙃𝙊𝙈 𝙂𝙊𝘿 𝙃𝘼𝙏𝙃 𝙎𝙀𝙏 𝙁𝙊𝙍𝙏𝙃 𝙏𝙊 𝘽𝙀 𝘼 𝙋𝙍𝙊𝙋𝙄𝙏𝙄𝘼𝙏𝙄𝙊𝙉 𝙏𝙃𝙍𝙊𝙐𝙂𝙃 𝙁𝘼𝙄𝙏𝙃 𝙄𝙉 𝙃𝙄𝙎 𝘽𝙇𝙊𝙊𝘿, 𝙏𝙊 𝘿𝙀𝘾𝙇𝘼𝙍𝙀 𝙃𝙄𝙎 𝙍𝙄𝙂𝙃𝙏𝙀𝙊𝙐𝙎𝙉𝙀𝙎𝙎 𝙁𝙊𝙍 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙍𝙀𝙈𝙄𝙎𝙎𝙄𝙊𝙉 𝙊𝙁 𝙎𝙄𝙉𝙎 that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩𝙚𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙣𝙚𝙨𝙨: 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩, 26 𝘼𝙉𝘿 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙐𝙎𝙏𝙄𝙁𝙄𝙀𝙍 𝙊𝙁 𝙃𝙄𝙈 𝙒𝙃𝙄𝘾𝙃 𝘽𝙀𝙇𝙄𝙀𝙑𝙀𝙏𝙃 𝙄𝙉 𝙅𝙀𝙎𝙐𝙎. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Galatians 2:16 (𝐊𝐉𝐁) 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the 𝒘𝒐𝒓𝒌𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒍𝒂𝒘, but by the 𝗳𝗮𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗼𝗳 𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀 𝗖𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁, even we have 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝗻 𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀 𝗖𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁, that we might be 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗳𝗶𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗼𝗳 𝗖𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁, and 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒃𝒚 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒘𝒐𝒓𝒌𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒍𝒂𝒘: 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒃𝒚 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒘𝒐𝒓𝒌𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒍𝒂𝒘 𝒔𝒉𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒏𝒐 𝒇𝒍𝒆𝒔𝒉 𝒃𝒆 𝒋𝒖𝒔𝒕𝒊𝒇𝒊𝒆𝒅. Galatians 2:21 (𝐊𝐉𝐁) 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.>> |
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Heat Death Then will be the end times. Oh, humanity will have long since vanished—gone the way of the dodo and the dinosaurs. Our sun will have long since blazoned into a red giant, engulfing the inner three planets, then shriveled to a hot white dwarf several billion years before fading out. |
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You frequently say you’re not an atheist. Are you a pantheist? Is your concept of God separate from creation (i.e. the universe?) Or is your concept of God creation itself? |
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LOL My God is the God of Einstein, the God of Spinoza. Though it turns out QM pretty much proves God does play dice. Heisenberg uncertainty reigns in the quantum world, which has macrocosm effects. |
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Nature of God I’ve been reading Dawkins’ “The Ancestor’s Tale.” Fascinating book, detailing the biological modifications leading to our species, and the vast volumes of evidence compelling biologists to that obvious conclusion. This find was quite a detective tale, involving the careful analysis of geologists on just where the complete specimen would be found given the placement of the initial fragments in the Sterkfontein cave. en.wikipedia.org |
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Not really. I can believe God is everywhere at once without believing He is everything at once. <<My God is the God of Einstein, the God of Spinoza. Though it turns out QM pretty much proves God does play dice. Heisenberg uncertainty reigns in the quantum world, which has macrocosm effects.>> So you believe God is nature? If so (and I believe that is what Spinoza essentially believed) what came first, nature or God? Or do you think they both have existed eternally? |
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I do not pretend to know the mind of God, or nature.>> Nature has a mind? <<All I DO know is that whatever we might discern of God’s nature is revealed through nature, through science.>> We can learn a great deal about God’s creation through science. I’m not sure that’s the same as learning a lot about God, other than His creativity. I think people can best understand God through Jesus Christ, who was God incarnate and walked among His creation just as was prophesied in the Bible centuries earlier… “Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.” (Zechariah 2:10-11) From AI… <<The Book of Zechariah was written in two main parts. The first part (chapters 1-8) was written between 520 and 518 BC, during the second and fourth years of the Persian King Darius's reign. The second part (chapters 9-14) is thought to have been written later, possibly in the 5th century BC, with some suggesting a date around 480 BC, according to the Gospel Coalition. Zechariah was a contemporary of the prophet Haggai and lived after the Babylonian exile.>> <<Not from disjoint ramblings of minor evolutionarily modified sub Saharan African apes.>> You’re referring to authors of the Bible? Have you read the Bible? <<I’ve been reading Dawkins’ “The Ancestor’s Tale.” Fascinating book, detailing the biological modifications leading to our species, and the vast volumes of evidence compelling biologists to that obvious conclusion.>> So how do you explain the enormous gap in the abilities, capabilities and accomplishments of man and the abilities, capabilities and accomplishments of the most advanced animal species? We’ve landed men on the moon. Have apes figured out how to do a crossword puzzle? Simple arithmetic? <<This find was quite a detective tale, involving the careful analysis of geologists on just where the complete specimen would be found given the placement of the initial fragments in the Sterkfontein cave. en.wikipedia.org>> Whatever floats your boat.. |
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I Guess I do not pretend to understand the nature of God. No, nature pretty obviously lacks sentience. What is sensible about the plague of Mormon crickets invading my home town? What is sensible about extinction, or cancer, or dental carries? Each organism has its own objective. Sometimes that objective is a component of a larger social structure, such as with an ant colony or a bee hive. Sometimes it is symbiotic, such as the bacteria in your intestines. You would perish without them. Sometimes it is purely parasitic. We like to think of ourselves as autonomous, but absent farm produce and agriculture none of us would be alive. Without Norman Borlaug (or someone like him) Earth couldn’t support eight billion souls. |
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Omnipresent <Not really. I can believe God is everywhere at once without believing He is everything at once.> Is that just semantics? If God is in your toothbrush, then how is your toothbrush not a part of God? |
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Time Six million years ago the line of apes and humans diverged. There were likely bipedal, nonhuman apes. About two million years ago we find Lucy, and the Taung child. Clearly bipedal, as we have footsteps from that era. But the brains remained small, proportionate to body size. Brain expansion occurred around the time of Habilis and Erectus. Neandertal had even larger brains than us, but might not have had much capacity for speech. We understand the Fox2p gene conveys that aptitude, for absent it people are rendered largely mute—capable only of guttural warnings, grunts, yowls of joy or anguish, but not complex thoughts. It is difficult to pinpoint the origin of that gene, but our best estimate, correlating it with other genes, places the initial spread about 200,000 years ago. That is only half the age of archaic sapiens to us. Absent the ability to communicate any better than non human apes, our cultural advancements were limited to “monkey see, monkey do” activities. We do know Neandertal used fire, but not whether they could make it, or only harvest fire provided by nature. I’m inclined to think they had the technology to produce it themselves. Fire requires adult supervision. So for three hundred eighty thousand years we see very little technological advancement. Humans remained barely beyond the abilities of animals, with no apparent symbolic logic, math computation, and so on. You make an interesting point that before 1969 men were little better than animals, unable to walk on the lunar surface. I know that wasn’t actually your point, but still-three hundred eighty thousand years seems like a long time for humans to live in animalistic squalor. If we are so great what took us so long? Most scientific advances have actually only occurred in just the past forty years. Our computers are millions of times faster than 1985 versions. A FLOP is a floating point operation. Megaflops were all the rage in the late eighties. Gigaflops are a thousand times as fast. Teraflops are a million times faster. Petaflops are a billion times. Exaflops are a trillion times faster. Gemini: The fastest supercomputer in the world is El Capitan, located at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It achieved a speed of 2.746 exaflops, becoming the first to reach exascale computing speeds. El Capitan surpassed the previous record held by Frontier, which reached 1.1 exaflops. So are humans today a trillion times better than Reagan era humans? Because I cannot tell gawking at Trump. “This is something that nobody else can do. We're gonna get the drug prices down—not 30 or 40 percent, which would be great, not 50 or 60 percent. No, we're gonna get them down 1,000 percent, 600 percent, 500 percent, 1,500 percent. Numbers that are not even thought to be achievable." Math skill and basic logic sure went straight into the golden toilet. |
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